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<p>On Sunday the 15th January, we are holding an AMA (Ask Me Anything) with <a href=http://www.nexusmods.com/games/users/3231858/?>Elianora</a>, one of Nexus Mods most prolific mod authors, and creator of some beautiful abodes, armours and gear for the Bethesda games Skyrim, Fallout 4 and Fallout New Vegas. We would love for you to come and be a part of it.</p>
<p>Our previous <a href=http://www.nexusmods.com/games/news/12890/?>AMA with Dark0ne</a>, the owner of Nexus Mods, went down incredibly well with the community and gave people an opportunity to ask whatever they desired. The questions varied wildly from ‘the future of this website’ to ‘his favourite vehicle’ and everything in-between. However, we had a number of comments saying that although some people couldn’t make the date to listen, they would have loved to have submitted a question - so I made a tiny form to do just that for the Elianora AMA.</p> (This form is no longer active)
<p>This event will be hosted live on <a href=http://www.nexusmods.com/games/chat/?>our Discord server</a> in a dedicated AMA channel. This will be created closer to the event and details on how to join will be given out in a separate news post.</p>
<p>It will be 7 pm UK (UTC) time, translating to the following times in other areas:
9 pm EET / 11 am PST / 1 pm CST / 2 pm EST</p>
<p>If you are not in any of those areas, then check <a href=http://www.worldtimebuddy.com/>http://www.worldtimebuddy.com/</a> for your timezone.</p>
<p>Please put a note in your diary and don’t forget to <a href=https://blindjudge.typeform.com/to/nxLWvx>get those questions in</a>.</p>
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Clear even she is really a great modder and has a real talent to create nice things, may be like some others here, i'm dislike her communication. It is a personnal feeling.
I'm sorry, don't get it. Can think if quite a few ground breaking modders, who have made real contributions to the game. I mean houses are great and all, everyone needs to live somewhere, but have also found her to be overly rude and arrogant.
Oh boy... if I could tell you all my experience with her all of your jaws would drop in shock. Out of respect for a fellow modder and content creator I won't talk about it on here.
Excellent content she creates though, so if you enjoy it and have questions about it, be respectful and nice!
It might just be a cultural thing, and not necessarily her fault. In Finland, they tend to really dislike people from other nations. Finnish people are often rude and stand offish, its how they are taught, generationally.
Im not trying to be insulting, but if you google this, you'll see its a well known fact about Finnish Culture. I love her mods though, doesnt diminish her ability!
Yeah, I have not had many if any "Friendly or "Nice" run ins with her. I actually don't download her mods just to avoid having to ask a question because I don't want to deal with the attitude.
>Lena that's the most stupid and racist thing I ever heard in Nexus.
Finland is a country. Being born in Finland does not make you a "Finnish" race person. That's called "Nationality", not race. Good try tossing out the race card because you have no valid arguement, though. You tried. Pat yourself on the back.
And yeah, it probably is cultural, though I don't know much about Finnish culture, so I could be totally wrong. Still, the Nexus is meant to be culturally neutral, and thus that kind of attitude isn't justifiable. :/
I've only uploaded a small handful of mods and have only had to deal with a few annoying users demanding stuff from me. Imagine having every single mod you upload be super popular. I'm surprised she's still modding at all.
Before I uploaded anything for Fo4, I used to think she could be nicer. Now, I think she's way too nice.
@jim_uk Very sensible you are Sir,another kudos for your collection.
Though my contributions to Nexus may be small i am not a stranger to comments made by those that misunderstand the true definition of criticism and free speech.Criticism requires an included explanation and fix for that which one finds problematic in a mod.If one cannot help a mod author one should just report a problem and otherwise remain quiet.Free speech should be FREE of abuse,seems to me the word free is often misunderstood as,i can treat you anyway i want and you deserve no recourse, for, your objections violates my right to FREE SPEECH.Hehe,i don't bloody think so.
Leave the poor girl alone you bullies, this isn't steam forums right? it's a sad day when a mod author has to disable their personal messages due to personal attacks, we all get them and you have to be hard skinned. She owes you all nothing, so stop with the abuse.
@gandalftw If I am going to say anything then I'll try and keep it to technical things, I think once you start criticising artistic choices then you're on dodgy ground because the author would have had their own vision.
@ jim_uk I generally keep my opinion to myself for i'm not a skilled modder so i don't feel i'm qualified to critique.How some, with no modding experience, can pop up and say some of the things they do is beyond me,don't get it.
I remove most negative comments as soon as i see them for leaving them just emboldens others to do likewise.
@OrcLivesMatter Maybe, I don't know. do some research instead of being ignorant of the world? There is nothing racist about what i said about Finland, its a 100% fact, and even is written on Travel websites to prepare people for the culture.
Politically correctness makes people idiotic and ignorant.
I dont have any issues with her, or any other Finnish people, i understand the culture and appreciate the honest straightforwardness. Her mods are really amazing, I've been using them for years.
Perhaps being under the moral scrutiny of opinionated morons makes her tetchy... it sure as hell does me. I'm sure you're not one of those arrogant, self absorbed @ssholes though, right?
(@OrcLivesMatter Maybe, I don't know. do some research instead of being ignorant of the world? There is nothing racist about what i said about Finland, its a 100% fact, and even is written on Travel websites to prepare people for the culture.
Politically correctness makes people idiotic and ignorant.
I dont have any issues with her, or any other Finnish people, i understand the culture and appreciate the honest straightforwardness. Her mods are really amazing, I've been using them for years.)
Sorry, American girl you have no clue of facts what so ever! It's nice to stay at your flat and Google things up, but where is your sense of RL or even more like critically examine some "truths" put in your face???! You Dear is all wrong! You are a true racist, and ignorant of facts because you don't care to check up if it's true or NOT! Please tell me I'm wrong, but if so tell me direct and not in some stupid verbal blabb rubbish that all stupid insecure males try to fill this thread with.
"Sorry, American girl you have no clue of facts what so ever!"
Neither do you. I can tell you from first hand sources (discussing with a variety of Finnish locals) they are less interested in human interaction up to and including straight out hostile. Not all are like this, but it's a generic feel you get and they will be the first ones to admit it.
@Ethreon Neither do you pal. My best friend in school was a Finnish guy and his family was the nicest I ever meet. Note that they was not routsin. So if we start mark people after their country they was born in, what is your opinion of Polish, French or Russians? Or even more interesting what country was you born in? Just to know what label I need to wrap you with since it seems you like to generalize and I don't want to be lesser than you lovely.
I have a good friend who's Finnish, when we first met I was very curious about Finland and one of the first things she told me is Finns are quite cold (no pun intended) people. Saying "please" or "thank you" is not the norm, they see such things as needless and silly, they also dislike casually chatting with strangers.
I don't know Elianora so I have no idea if she's Finnish or just rude, I'm just talking about what I've been told about Finnish people. She does make great work though and deserves respect like any other human being.
I'm pretty new to Nexus, so I'm sorry if I this won't be taken well, but seeing what LenaMarie is spouting off as facts about finnish people made me want to comment.
Now, as a finn myself, I can tell you that you are pretty far off with your assumptions about the finnish culture. Furthermore, listing google and hearsay as proof is not the way to go.
Just my 2 cents worth.
@Ethreon Oh, and I don't agree with you nor do I admit to what you think is the general feel of our culture.
Finland is a country. Being born in Finland does not make you a "Finnish" race person. That's called "Nationality", not race.
This is just not true. I'm not commenting on the actual argument here but addressing a perceived ignorance. Racism can be defined in terms of nationality. It's not purely a skin colour thing. An English person can be racially biased (racist) towards a Scottish person and vice versa.
A generalising negative statement against a group of people based on their country of origin is racist. The more specific term would be xenophobia, but racism is more of a heading above various prejudices rather than a specific term in and of itself.
I think this is important to understand, especially in the current western political climate.
well idk about cultural but i have a friend she is finish too shes abit rude and my sister's bestfriend is finish and her bestfriend left finland one she had a fight with a finish guy and she said now i remember why i left finland and that was on group chat call
I think thats a how modders are in general since it what internet does to you. All the trolls and content stealing not to mention rude commenters that dont even read how the mod works or they just break it by using cheats for no reason.It all can get annoying.
So much butthurt. Eli is a great modder, I actually have everything she's released installed >.>
Having gone through the comments on her mods I'm surprised she still gives us anything, I'd have told everyone to go f*** themselves a long time ago and stopped releasing content.
I thought it was a good AMA and thank you Elianora for your mods. They are appreciated by the majority of people on here....As for the negative response just ignore them.. Unfortunately there are negative folks in every country that aren't happy unless there bitching and i would venture to say the one's that are rude wouldn't even no where to begin to do what you are doing for all of us...And doing it for free i mite add.... Thanks again to you and all the modders that make my game a joy to play..
Ok looks like i missed all this mess. But if there's something i'd like to say now is: " If you're stupid and trying to argue with haughtiness, and not with humility or education you deserve all the "rude" behaviours i can give you, cause you're just an ignorant trying to appear better than you are, at my expenses." Plain and simple and is called frankness, a rare virtue that sadly nowadays looks more like a curse. I'm one of the "cursed" too, and thank to this i have a lot of enemies but a bunch of REAL friends. Now go home kids, and learn to live.
I think Eli is always an interesting person to hear from in modding discussions because she's experienced and has used a great many tools. It's informative and potentially very useful to aspiring modders.
I've used various mods of hers for a fair while (a couple of years at least now) and I remember often finding her descriptions funny, especially as they featured things I like, such as Dragon Age and Firefly. Sometimes I stopped by her pages just because they were a good read.
Having been a "fan" for a time I've noticed some of her own comments have gotten more acerbic, which is a shame only because it starts to tarnish what always seemed to me to be a good reputation. But then there are some other modders who have always been acerbic/defensive/downright rude, who haven't put in anything close to the amount of time and energy Eli has. I can understand why, after a while, people being super critical and/or demanding might bash your sunny disposition, especially when you've tried to be clear and helpful in the past.
Saying that, some of the comments here about people cocking up installs and the like are a bit unfair. Not everyone grasps "how to mod" very quickly and not everyone is aware of the various search/FAQ/guide sections. Sometimes the "stupid" or simple questions aren't from a lack of manners but merely a lack of experience and we build a better community by trying to help people new to modding than we do telling them to die in a fire after sitting on a pineapple. And that's not something only mod authors can do - users with the answers can try to help out as well. I know I started out utterly hopeless... and now I've learnt to troubleshoot most of my own problems and I know where to go to ask others.
Anyway, we should all try to be a bit nicer right? And just ignore those who didn't get the memo.
Look at all these users complaining about mod authors being rude, it's called being tired of your shit. This is exactly why I removed all my mods from nexus, I'm done with all these people who expect some sort of vip service on top of giving them free content. Still waiting for my account to be closed here btw, else I might spout out more dangerous words
I don´t know what they exactly expect. Most of them must be to stupid to use NMM. If they don´t / can´t read the decriptions... well it´s always the authors fault if "The mod causes bugs". And they always demand x versions to work with x mods. If i am not right? Well modauthors create mods for themselves or friends and second for the rest of the stupid world. And duh........ no wonder they stop sharing if we users are the problem.
It's a Community after all and all i ask for, is to be polite and to not generalise.. and this applies to both user & author or else the etiquette becomes irrelevant. I don't post a demand, i post a suggestion if the mod author is open to it. If i found a Bug with a mod, i try to add as much information as possible in the bug section, to help the author of the mod to understand, the conditions in which the bug happend. I don't demand a fix for the bug, but it's generally nice to see, when a mod author is trying to help. And i absolutely always read the description of every mod i install.
But still i don't like her attitude, it's ok for her to don't help with bugs, it's ok when she's shutting down comments.... but it's not okay to generalise her users and to say they're all rude and can't read the fu***** description. That would be the same as when i would say "all mod authors are rude.." But i have to say, reading the description page of any of her mods, gives me an headache, it gives an impression, of someone who has been stuck for too long in her ivory tower. Thats why i abandoned her mods, but still thats a personal decision i made.
A decent human behaviour applies to all, in a community, not just users and if someone doesn't like the attitude, of another community member, he/she is free to express her thoughts about that person, in a fair comment. That is free speech, if you don't like that, better find a safe space.
Not to further this discussion, nor is this about any mod author in particular. This comes from my personal experiences as someone that deals with the public on a regular basis- It is better to say all or you, in the general sense because 1 It is improper and an be considered bullying if you specifically name an irritating o person or if you single out a group of irritating people. Because 2. The use of a general statement such as you, is expected to be understood by intelligent people to only apply to those that it applies to. It happens all the time in the business world. One person gets involved in a sexual harassment issue at work, next thing you know, everyone that is employed has to go to sexual harassment training. Millions of examples on this. Bottom line, if it doesn't apply to you, it shouldn't be an issue and you know who you are.
I missed the AMA unfortunately, is it archived anywhere?
Also after briefly looking through these comments (and noting one or two prolific commenters) Elianora and other mod makers here have my full sympathy when it comes to certain members of this community. Entitled is putting it mildly, openly hostile would be more accurate. I had no idea they were dealing with people like this, it's honestly really sad that they have to.
Malwarebytes and Googole are blocking Discord as malicious. I looked it up to see if I was the only one and it seems that others have had the problem over the past couple of days. Is that something to worry about?
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A moderator has closed this comment topic for the time beingClear even she is really a great modder and has a real talent to create nice things, may be like some others here, i'm dislike her communication. It is a personnal feeling.
Anyway, nice to see her to have this AMA ;-)
its not harsh...
Its called FED UP...
Excellent content she creates though, so if you enjoy it and have questions about it, be respectful and nice!
Im not trying to be insulting, but if you google this, you'll see its a well known fact about Finnish Culture. I love her mods though, doesnt diminish her ability!
>Lena that's the most stupid and racist thing I ever heard in Nexus.
Finland is a country. Being born in Finland does not make you a "Finnish" race person. That's called "Nationality", not race. Good try tossing out the race card because you have no valid arguement, though. You tried. Pat yourself on the back.
And yeah, it probably is cultural, though I don't know much about Finnish culture, so I could be totally wrong. Still, the Nexus is meant to be culturally neutral, and thus that kind of attitude isn't justifiable. :/
Before I uploaded anything for Fo4, I used to think she could be nicer. Now, I think she's way too nice.
Now you've devolved into the "hate" bait... Gender is up next I assume?
Very sensible you are Sir,another kudos for your collection.
Though my contributions to Nexus may be small i am not a stranger to comments made by those that misunderstand the true definition of criticism and free speech.Criticism requires an included explanation and fix for that which one finds problematic in a mod.If one cannot help a mod author one should just report a problem and otherwise remain quiet.Free speech should be FREE of abuse,seems to me the word free is often misunderstood as,i can treat you anyway i want and you deserve no recourse, for, your objections violates my right to FREE SPEECH.Hehe,i don't bloody think so.
If one desires respect,my Zeus,be respectful.
I generally keep my opinion to myself for i'm not a skilled modder so i don't feel i'm qualified to critique.How some, with no modding experience, can pop up and say some of the things they do is beyond me,don't get it.
I remove most negative comments as soon as i see them for leaving them just emboldens others to do likewise.
Maybe, I don't know. do some research instead of being ignorant of the world? There is nothing racist about what i said about Finland, its a 100% fact, and even is written on Travel websites to prepare people for the culture.
Politically correctness makes people idiotic and ignorant.
I dont have any issues with her, or any other Finnish people, i understand the culture and appreciate the honest straightforwardness. Her mods are really amazing, I've been using them for years.
Maybe, I don't know. do some research instead of being ignorant of the world? There is nothing racist about what i said about Finland, its a 100% fact, and even is written on Travel websites to prepare people for the culture.
Politically correctness makes people idiotic and ignorant.
I dont have any issues with her, or any other Finnish people, i understand the culture and appreciate the honest straightforwardness. Her mods are really amazing, I've been using them for years.)
Sorry, American girl you have no clue of facts what so ever! It's nice to stay at your flat and Google things up, but where is your sense of RL or even more like critically examine some "truths" put in your face???!
You Dear is all wrong! You are a true racist, and ignorant of facts because you don't care to check up if it's true or NOT! Please tell me I'm wrong, but if so tell me direct and not in some stupid verbal blabb rubbish that all stupid insecure males try to fill this thread with.
Neither do you. I can tell you from first hand sources (discussing with a variety of Finnish locals) they are less interested in human interaction up to and including straight out hostile. Not all are like this, but it's a generic feel you get and they will be the first ones to admit it.
Neither do you pal.
My best friend in school was a Finnish guy and his family was the nicest I ever meet. Note that they was not routsin. So if we start mark people after their country they was born in, what is your opinion of Polish, French or Russians? Or even more interesting what country was you born in? Just to know what label I need to wrap you with since it seems you like to generalize and I don't want to be lesser than you lovely.
Sounds like I need to move there...
I don't know Elianora so I have no idea if she's Finnish or just rude, I'm just talking about what I've been told about Finnish people. She does make great work though and deserves respect like any other human being.
Now, as a finn myself, I can tell you that you are pretty far off with your assumptions about the finnish culture. Furthermore, listing google and hearsay as proof is not the way to go.
Just my 2 cents worth.
@Ethreon Oh, and I don't agree with you nor do I admit to what you think is the general feel of our culture.
This is just not true. I'm not commenting on the actual argument here but addressing a perceived ignorance. Racism can be defined in terms of nationality. It's not purely a skin colour thing. An English person can be racially biased (racist) towards a Scottish person and vice versa.
A generalising negative statement against a group of people based on their country of origin is racist. The more specific term would be xenophobia, but racism is more of a heading above various prejudices rather than a specific term in and of itself.
I think this is important to understand, especially in the current western political climate.
All the trolls and content stealing not to mention rude commenters that dont even read how the mod works or they just break it by using cheats for no reason.It all can get annoying.
Eli is a great modder, I actually have everything she's released installed >.>
Having gone through the comments on her mods I'm surprised she still gives us anything, I'd have told everyone to go f*** themselves a long time ago and stopped releasing content.
But if there's something i'd like to say now is:
" If you're stupid and trying to argue with haughtiness, and not with humility or
education you deserve all the "rude" behaviours i can give you, cause you're just an ignorant trying to appear better than you are, at my expenses."
Plain and simple and is called frankness, a rare virtue that sadly nowadays looks more like a curse.
I'm one of the "cursed" too, and thank to this i have a lot of enemies but a bunch of REAL friends. Now go home kids, and learn to live.
I've used various mods of hers for a fair while (a couple of years at least now) and I remember often finding her descriptions funny, especially as they featured things I like, such as Dragon Age and Firefly. Sometimes I stopped by her pages just because they were a good read.
Having been a "fan" for a time I've noticed some of her own comments have gotten more acerbic, which is a shame only because it starts to tarnish what always seemed to me to be a good reputation. But then there are some other modders who have always been acerbic/defensive/downright rude, who haven't put in anything close to the amount of time and energy Eli has. I can understand why, after a while, people being super critical and/or demanding might bash your sunny disposition, especially when you've tried to be clear and helpful in the past.
Saying that, some of the comments here about people cocking up installs and the like are a bit unfair. Not everyone grasps "how to mod" very quickly and not everyone is aware of the various search/FAQ/guide sections. Sometimes the "stupid" or simple questions aren't from a lack of manners but merely a lack of experience and we build a better community by trying to help people new to modding than we do telling them to die in a fire after sitting on a pineapple. And that's not something only mod authors can do - users with the answers can try to help out as well. I know I started out utterly hopeless... and now I've learnt to troubleshoot most of my own problems and I know where to go to ask others.
Anyway, we should all try to be a bit nicer right? And just ignore those who didn't get the memo.
I don't post a demand, i post a suggestion if the mod author is open to it.
If i found a Bug with a mod, i try to add as much information as possible in the bug section, to help the author of the mod to understand, the conditions in which the bug happend. I don't demand a fix for the bug, but it's generally nice to see, when a mod author is trying to help.
And i absolutely always read the description of every mod i install.
But still i don't like her attitude, it's ok for her to don't help with bugs, it's ok when she's shutting down comments....
but it's not okay to generalise her users and to say they're all rude and can't read the fu***** description. That would be the same as when i would say "all mod authors are rude.."
But i have to say, reading the description page of any of her mods, gives me an headache, it gives an impression, of someone who has been stuck for too long in her ivory tower.
Thats why i abandoned her mods, but still thats a personal decision i made.
A decent human behaviour applies to all, in a community, not just users and if someone doesn't like the attitude, of another community member, he/she is free to express her thoughts about that person, in a fair comment. That is free speech, if you don't like that, better find a safe space.
This comes from my personal experiences as someone that deals with the public on a regular basis-
It is better to say all or you, in the general sense because
1 It is improper and an be considered bullying if you specifically name an irritating o person or if you single out a group of irritating people. Because
2. The use of a general statement such as you, is expected to be understood by intelligent people to only apply to those that it applies to.
It happens all the time in the business world.
One person gets involved in a sexual harassment issue at work, next thing you know, everyone that is employed has to go to sexual harassment training.
Millions of examples on this.
Bottom line, if it doesn't apply to you, it shouldn't be an issue and you know who you are.
Well said, and exactly how many of us feel too.
Also after briefly looking through these comments (and noting one or two prolific commenters) Elianora and other mod makers here have my full sympathy when it comes to certain members of this community. Entitled is putting it mildly, openly hostile would be more accurate. I had no idea they were dealing with people like this, it's honestly really sad that they have to.
I looked it up to see if I was the only one and it seems that others have had the problem over the past couple of days.
Is that something to worry about?
Here's a direct link to the legit website.
https://discordapp.com/download
You should be able to access it without issues.