Donation Points System update

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Back in May we told you we were changing the way mod author rewards work. We're fast approaching the launch of the new algorithm so we wanted to give a little more detail on what's changing, why it's changing and what it means for you. A TL:DR is at the end of the post

As we mentioned in the previous post, the Donation Points system has been a massive success with tens of thousands of mod authors receiving a bonus reward on top of the donations they'd have normally received directly from the community. However, some of the behaviours this system encouraged have led to a degraded experience for the end-user. 


Problem 1: Content optimised to maximise Donation Points

With the old Donation Points algorithm it became apparent that there was a correlation between how many mod pages you posted and how many points you earned each month - this was especially true for our most popular games. As a result, some authors would break their content down into lots and lots of individual mod pages to maximise the rewards they would receive. This resulted in a heavily degraded user experience - a user previously could get all variants of a mod (or parts of a set) on one page, but they now had to go to multiple different pages to get the "complete" mod. Uploading multiple mods will still be rewarded but authors will start to see diminishing returns from having more interactions with the same user(s). 

We've also updated the system to use a non-public algorithm to allocate Donation Points. While we understand this isn't great for transparency, it means that we remove the problem of authors min-maxing their Donation Points rather than creating content that's great for the community.

As part of these changes, it will no longer be possible to view a per-mod breakdown of Donation Points earned on the monthly reports. This is because the calculation works by measuring interactions between users over the month rather than solely counting downloads. To replace this functionality, we plan to give mod authors a dashboard displaying downloads per month outside of the rewards system. We aim to make this dashboard available to authors soon and may expand the stats available to include more than just unique downloads in the future.  


Problem 2: Abuse of the system through fraudulent downloads

A further exploit of the system that came to light was the ability for malicious users to earn significant amounts of Donation Points by creating thousands of fake accounts and using them to download their own content. This could potentially take significant sums of money away from genuine users, which is not acceptable. Given the accessibility of throw-away email addresses and VPNs this kind of abuse requires significant resources to track down and we decided that the best approach was to make this activity pointless by factoring it into the new algorithm. 


Problem 3: Mod list makers earn disproportionate rewards by including lots of their mods

Mod list curators do a great job supporting the community around their content and we feel they should be rewarded for this. The problem we identified was a trend whereby curators would upload resources for their list split across several mod pages. When a user downloads the collection/Wabbajack list/etc this would mean a unique download for each page and therefore generate a substantial amount of points. To be clear, we have no issue with mod authors creating collections that include groups of their mods to allow for easy downloading, but this trend was targeted towards mod files that had almost no value outside the use in the mod list. This is similar to the first problem but is very specific to mod lists. Uploading mods in this way will no longer generate excessive Donation Points.


Problem 4: Posting updated versions of mods on new mod pages

Some mod authors had taken to releasing updates to their mods by creating a new mod page for each version (and, often, deleting the original). This is a horrible experience for your fans as they are no longer able to easily track the mods they're interested in or be notified of new versions. It also breaks the "update" chain so that modding tools can't easily help users to update to the latest version.

This has always been against our Donation Points System Rules and we will be taking stronger action against users who do this, up to and including blocking them from earning any Donation Points. 

We know that some of this behaviour is driven by wanting to increase visibility of updates too, so we are looking into ways to better surface the updated content to users.



We've introduced the changes to not only address these problems but also to redistribute the rewards in a way that enables more authors to benefit from the system. Overall we're expecting ~60% of mod authors to see some kind of increase in their mod rewards. The remaining users are expected to see similar amounts, with some of the current "top earners" seeing a drop in Donation Points where distribution is flattened out a bit.

To be clear, if you receive less DP each month going forward this doesn't necessarily mean your upload behaviours are a problem, it just means that the way you've shared your content is valued differently in the new interaction-based algorithm. We still plan to put the same amount of money (or more) into the system each month. 

On reviewing the results of the simulated DP payouts we ran during this project we've noticed there are some cases where tool creators or other "high impact" authors in the community are not as well rewarded in the new system. We highly value tool creators who either enable modding or otherwise extend or amplify the mods that are available for games and we think that these individuals should be strongly rewarded for their efforts. As a result of this, we are now planning to create a separate pool of DP to distribute specifically to selected creators. This may be users who create modding tools that are invaluable to the modding scene (e.g. SMAPI for Stardew Valley) or create tools and frameworks which empower others to create great mods. This scheme is in the planning phases now and we aim to have more information on this later in the year. This will not impact the current DP system or how much money we put into the DP system.


Finally, we've also updated our Donation Points System Rules and empowered our Community Managers with new tools to disqualify specific mods or users from participating in the Mod Rewards program. This will allow us to better handle any exploitation of the system and be confident that content which shouldn't earn DP, won't.


TL;DR - If you'd like to join the discussion we strongly recommend reading the whole post!

  • The first Donation Points report using the new algorithm will be available in early August 2024 - this is for Donation Points earned in April 2024. The reports for May and June 2024 will also be available to view and the points will be added to your wallets in September and October respectively.
  • The inner workings of the new algorithm will not be made public to prevent abuse or exploitation of the system.
  • Donation Points are now shared more fairly and our stats show that ~60% of mod authors see an increase in their monthly rewards.
  • The new report will no longer include a per-mod breakdown of allocated points, but you will still see the splits with other authors. The per-mod download breakdowns will be moved to a new dashboard outside of the Donation Points system soon.
  • We've empowered our Community Team with better tools to tackle abuse of the system.
  • Check out our new Best Practices page for advice on creating great mod pages.
  • We're looking at setting up a new, separate rewards program to provide better awards for key tool/framework creators in the community using a separate pool of money. More on this later in the year! 
  • The total amount we're paying into the Donation Points system each month will remain the same or continue to increase. 


Overall, this new system will ensure that the Donation Points system rewards modders for producing high-quality content that the community loves and prevent exploitation of the system. We will be closely monitoring the distribution of DP each month and can make tweaks to the algorithm to make sure it's working as we would like it to. If you're a mod author and you have concerns or questions about these changes, please speak to one of our Community Managers using the forums, Discord or leave a comment below.

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  1. Pickysaurus
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    Important Update
    Based on the comments here, there seems to be a bit of confusion about what's happening with the latest DP reports. Hopefully this post will help clear a few things up:


    • The April and May reports have been published. These are both using the old unique-download-based algorithm. 
    • We've put $325,000 per month into the system for April and May (plus Patreon). This is the same amount we've donated every month since January 2024.
    • April was the month which saw the release of the Fallout TV show. As a result there were huge spikes in traffic for Fallout 4, New Vegas, Fallout 3 and other games in the series. This means that these games commanded a significantly larger share of the total unique downloads and therefore modders who make content for these titles will see an increase to represent that. 
    • Modders who create content for other games (including Skyrim!) may see a decrease over this period as large chunks of the DP pool that would normally have gone to their games have been swallowed up by the Fallout traffic. You can see this represented in the graph below and on the Donation Points statistics page.




    The Fallout traffic has returned more or less to normal from June 2024 onwards, so the distribution of Donation Points will reflect that in future reports. 

    I hope this alleviates some of your concerns about seeing less DP this month.
  2. anygoodname
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    Is Donation Points System still alive?
  3. halpyy
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    Any sort of update would be nice.
  4. InquisitorOverhaulsReturn
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    So, when do we get next donation points?
  5. Sonyanto
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    I still have questions regarding this as I've recently came back to this site:
    1)Does posting new mods still give DPs as always by accumulated downloads, unique DLs and endorsements at each months normally? It's a dumb question but I'm that bad at understanding things.
    2)Does updating a mod in it's own page still accumulated DP? A few days ago I updated my mod called "Muni Ja" for Yakuza 0, which lead to this question.
    3)Is the best practice something that is a must for every mod makers as some makers when I've checked their mods have missing points from the best practice article?
    1. Eolhin
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      Well, I can answer #1, but I am a bit more fuzzy on the other questions.

      1) As I understand it, it is unique downloads that are what counts towards points, not overall downloads, and not endorsements.  Once the new system is live, they will apply additional calculations and considerations to that unique downloads number, some of which are discussed above, but they aren't going to tell us the details, as that is what got the whole system in trouble in the first place, with people min-maxing and taking advantage of understanding the system a bit too well.  Yeah, right now the pending points shows 0, I find that annoying too, but the points for the months after May aren't lost, just still to be calculated from unique downloads, hopefully by the new system.  If they can't get it up and running by well into next month, they will likely do what they already did once, and release a few more months of points calculated on the old system to give themselves more time to get the problems ironed out of the new system.

      2) I think update-downloads still count, as long as they aren't really frequent?  But I am a bit fuzzy on that one myself.

      3) As I understand it, the new system intends to penalize (on some kind of sliding scale?) those that ignore too many of those strong recommendations, and if it looks like someone is willfully scamming the system, not just oblivious to the new system, their ability to earn DP might go away entirely.  This should hopefully leave more DP to distribute among those obeying as many of those recommendations as they reasonably can.  Once the decrease in DP is noticed by people, it is hoped they will look at the recommendations, and try to come a bit more in line with them.

      That is all I know on the subject.
    2. Gantz79
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       non-public algorithm 
      The system no longer works off of Unique Downloads (UDL) over all time but instead on interactions that occur over a month.
      The system has a diminishing returns aspect to it. After a certain number of interactions from the same user across all your mods, the value of these interactions drops drastically. It can and does drop to 0.
      We reward authors for posting a variety of content that appeals to lots of different users. Consider diversifying the type of mods you make, or branching out into modding a different game that interests you. 
  6. an0nym0uz
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    So i have no pending points anymore since May this year.. while players still download my mods.. this system has become trash, with all respect

    Thanks to all the asses, that ruined it for everyone else by abusing it.
    1. LORDOROS
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      same here
    2. Eolhin
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      The unique downloads are still being recorded behind the scenes for each month, they are just waiting for the new algorithm and system to be up and running, to take those downloads, and calculate out points from them.  So they aren't lost.  I agree though, at this point, an update as to what is happening, and how much longer it is likely to take would be nice.  The next payout (if the points were showing) would be the start of next month, so I would assume that before that time, they will either re-launch the new system, or will release another few months of points on the old system because they are having problems with it, and need more time.  So, at an educated guess, we will hopefully hear something by the end of this month.  *helpless shrug*
  7. Wolflady500
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    Honestly everyone deciding to leave the site, throw fits, already labeling the new system as bad/scummy or whatever over this... Y'all need to calm down and at least wait until the new system ACTUALLY comes into play. Read this update and the pinned comment here: https://www.nexusmods.com/news/15060
    Before coming here and saying the sky is falling.
    Edit: Perfect timing for Pickysaurus to post a new pinned comment too about this, which helps a lot in showing why everyone needs to chill, at least for now.

    Nexus is giving us money to host files on their website, on their servers that they have to pay for. Yes, we the users help this fund, with ad revenue and premium memberships, but they ultimately still keep the site running. And they are paying us, the mod authors, to be here. Yes, the site wouldn't exist without mod authors, but up until recently, we didn't get ANYTHING outside of the occasional donations more popular modders got from the rare user.

    We did this for fun, as a hobby, because we were passionate about the game(s) we mod and the projects we worked on. When did Nexus community become so entitled that y'all threaten to LEAVE, I guess so your mods can die somewhere, just cause you got a little less money for a hobby?

    Yes, I'm aware some people need the funds to pay rent or whatnot, but those are outside cases and not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the greedy people who only mod because it nets them money, like it's the new Etsy 'get rich quick' scheme or something.

    I fully expect hostile comments in response to this, but I will stand by the fact that you all need to take a step back and realize Nexus doesn't have to pay us s#*!, and the fact we get free Premium and these DP at all is awesome! But we shouldn't take it for granted, we are not entitled to it, and I think all outcrying should at least wait until we see a proper report using the new system before we call it bad.
    1. jeffcollins2020
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      With the new system I have 200 more DL and my DP points have gone down 6k points a month, how is this better ?????? Mabey for you all !! NOT THE MODERS!!!!!!!!!!!  More DL means more site traffic its a win, win for you all now isn't it... Oh thanks for my reduced DP points and membership. I don't think i will be modding the sims or anything els anymore here. have you ever had a job where you receive a bonus every year and then they say here is your jelly of the month club for your bonus. THATS THE WAY WE FEEL. Do not ever post that modders work tirelessly to make creations and then say you appreciate us. THIS IS NOT APPRECITATION. Without the mods You Are Nothing this site is funded by mods without them this site is nothing maybe you should reflect on that.
    2. S1nonim
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      Nexus doesn't have to pay us s#*!, and the fact we get free Premium and these DP at all is awesome!
      Yes, I agree. But you just have to realize that this reaction of bewilderment and anger is perfectly normal. I can make up a situation to explain. Imagine there's a guy who's a construction worker, but every night, around the corner he would paint signs or something for the company, he did it of his own volition. He had a talent for drawing, he was interested in doing it. The first time he drew a sign he didn't think he was going to get a penny, he got excited and motivated not to give it up. And so six months go by. Suddenly the guy gets very little, very little. Although, he's not painting signs anymore. He's already working on the design of the company which he drew a paint signs, but he still takes an evening to do it. He's perplexed. The company does not owe him anything, he himself, of his own free will wanted to draw them a sign for the first time. You know what I mean? When suddenly we expect another nice bonus from Nexus, but we get a snafu, it's a shame. When stability fails, when realistic expectations are shattered...Even though they don't have to us a thing.
    3. cyan49
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      With the new system I have 200 more DL and my DP points have gone down 6k points a month, how is this better ??????
      For some reason you posted this completely ignoring the OP's post and the Community Manager's sticky post. It's not the new DP system yet.
      I can make up a situation to explain. Imagine there's a guy who's a construction worker, * snip * You know what I mean? When suddenly we expect another nice bonus from Nexus, but we get a snafu, it's a shame. When stability fails, when realistic expectations are shattered...Even though they don't have to us a thing.
      Uh..."stability"? "suddenly"?
      The metrics to earn DP are subject to change at any time, with or without notice to you.
      Nexus Mods expressly reserves the right to add or remove methods of earning Donation Points or to terminate the Donation Points System, for any reason or no reason at all.
      YOU HEREBY ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT YOUR PARTICIPATION IN THE DONATION POINTS SYSTEM DOES NOT GUARANTEE THAT YOU WILL EARN ANY DP. NEXUS MODS MAKES NO REPRESENTATION, WARRANTY OR GUARANTY THAT YOU WILL RECEIVE ANY DP THROUGH YOUR PARTICIPATION IN THE DONATION POINT SYSTEM
      So the main issue is that they don't fully agree with the Donation Points System Rules in the first place.
    4. Ilwenray85
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      Sorry for my English, is not my first language.

      Not surprising, if someone doesn't read the TOS to begin with, they can't really agree with the content either.

      Then you have my case, that I read them but that depending on how hard the legalese is, perhaps I misunderstand them.
      I remember pointing out to a moderator in another forum how stupid it was that I had to agree with the TOS in order to post a comment on the forum for clarification on the content of said TOS.

      Edit: Grammar. Please forgive for the mistakes I can't see myself.
    5. cyan49
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      If you can't read them that's your problem (and mine too, I'm a non-English speaker) and Nexus may not have been proactive in giving people a chance to read it since it's not a contractual part of the ToS.
    6. supercento
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      Yes, I'm aware some people need the funds to pay rent or whatnot, but those are outside cases and not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the greedy people who only mod because it nets them money, like it's the new Etsy 'get rich quick' scheme or something.

      Saying this is quite unfair to the people who create. Do you prefer mods where every creator has a Patreon paywall?
    7. Wolflady500
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      No, I prefer a time when modding was a hobby, not a get rich scheme at all.
      I am a mod author myself, so no need to act like I don't know the work that goes into it. I've spent months on mods before.
    8. Gantz79
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      I did not know that golden period and neither anyone who gets rich around here, but if I can say that if I create a mod at the request of many users then receive 1 dollars for the 500 unique downloads that generated, I get the impression that it was not a waste of hours of my life to have made that request for a minority, surely in another period would not have heard that request, so I think the DP that created NEXUS to give something back to the authors was a success and is largely the growth of mods that have had.
    9. supercento
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      Hypocrisy preach that modding should be a hobby and accept dp and donations on your mods.
  8. EmreHQ
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    Hello🤗
    Does the new algorithm penalize my user-friendly home mods? 🙄

    I publish both REDmod and non-REDmod versions of my mod on the same mod page.
    💠 Since it is a REDmod version, they can test the possibility of my mod conflicting with other mods. (optional)
    💠 If I don't add a REDmod version, people ask me to add it.
    💠 The new algorithm scolds me for more interaction. 🤕

    When I make an alternative version of my mod, instead of creating a new mod page, I add a separate download option on the relevant mod page.
    💠 Instead of changing the popular content of this mod, I offer people the opportunity to change some parts of it with alternative download options.
    💠 For example, chromanticore, a content in my mod, 50% of people prefer the alternative version. Since 50% prefer the original presentation,
    having both there gives people the opportunity to choose and customize. 🥳
    💠 The new algorithm scolds me for more interaction. 🤕

    One of my mods already changes a lot of content in itself, but I still try not to distribute it to separate mod pages.
    Accordingly, people may not want to use my entire mod, but they may want to use a few parts of it.

    💠 That's why I offer the entire pack and multiple download options on a single mod page so that they can download all the content in my mod one by one. 👏
    💠 I add the image of the content to each download option, so people can download only the content they like and use my mod with different mods, and it also prevents conflicts with other mods. 🥳💕
    💠 For example, someone wants to use mod B, but they also want to use a few content from my mod, here I can offer great customization with these download options. 🎉
    💠 The new algorithm scolds me for more interaction. 🤕
    🤔 I also added an option to download all the individual download options in a single package, so why did I add the others?
    💠 For a few content that people like, it can take time to download the entire mod due to the file size, and they may need to match which file is which content, and repeat this process when there is an update.
    💠 Separate download options can distinguish which content is updated by version numbers, and the update process is easy.
    💠 Options like fomod also require downloading the entire mod, and not everyone uses a mod manager.

    I like to reply to most comments and do my best to solve the problems people are experiencing. 😇
    On my mod's description page, I provide visual information about the purpose of my mod, how to install it and other information in a way that looks nice on the eye. 🤩
    💠 The new algorithm may scold me for more bandwidth. 🤕

    Doing all the things I mentioned above takes a great deal of time, and time is valuable. ⌛⏱️

    🔸I like sharing my mod, but doing the things above and having many different mods is a time-consuming process, I endure these difficulties to make users happy 🥰 and because it also helps me financially. 🪙
    🔸Making users happy makes me happy spiritually, but it is not easy to live only with spiritual values, life conditions require me to work at a regular job. 
    🔸In this case, it is not always possible to spend time doing all the above mentioned things. ⌛⏱️
    🔸If doing it contributes to me some financially, 🪙 I can now work part-time 😃 instead of working full-time and spend some of my time making new mods 🥳✨ and offering them to people. 🥰

    🔸I love making mods, 💗 I have many mods of different games that I do not share yet.
    🔸I have limited time and I want to play 🎮 games in this time, I have fun, but on the other hand, I also think that if I share these mods, people will be happy, 😇 but then I say life conditions.

    The purpose of sharing this comment is to make sure whether I understand the new algorithm correctly or incorrectly. 😇
    1. Gantz79
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      At the moment the new algorithm has been delayed because it seems that there was an unexpected issue with the new system and they have already commented that they will not reveal anything about the algorithm, we will have to wait for more information in case they modify some kind of rule of that system.

      What is certain is that now there will be a fixed amount of interactions with the same user that may vary depending on a hidden algorithm and will no longer allow to accumulate more during the same month, setting a limit of DP that can be earned per user, that means that if before a user downloaded for the first time of your 30 pages you received DP for the 30 UDLs generated, now will be counted as interactions in all downloads whether new, variants, optional, updates, etc... establishing a limit that cannot be exceeded for more downloads generated in the same month from that user.

      This is what I can clearly deduce from the information available so far.
    2. newman55
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      Will user interactions be counted across all games or separately?
    3. Gantz79
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      It is not very clear with the rules, but it may be because I translate them into Castilian and the translator cannot be trusted.
      It is not determined if it is for all games, nor how many interactions, nor if optional mods from the same page or updates count, we only know that it restarts every month.
      By the way, it is somewhat strange that it restarts every month because if they are also trying to eliminate “Abuse of the system through fraudulent downloads”, this new way will allow these users to accumulate accounts behind a VPN that will generate new downloads every month since unlike before it was only counted once per UDL and each account could only be used once.
  9. TheWorldofRipX
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    Hello! Did I miss the new DL personal  dashboard, or has that not happened just yet?
  10. StuykGaming
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    Imagine being mad that you're getting paid to make mods. Keep up the good work Nexus. 
  11. Malacos
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    • May 2024Unique Downloads: 260565 DP
    • Apr 2024Unique Downloads: 275552 DP
    • Mar 2024Unique Downloads: 264792 DP
    • Feb 2024Unique Downloads: 231802 DP
    • Jan 2024Unique Downloads: 275807 DP


    A ~4% increase in unique downloads going into April from March, but a ~30% cut in donation points.

    Make it make sense. 👎
    1. Hailfire89
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      Theyve shortened me multiple times as well 
    2. zzjay
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      It's not that hard.

      The "reward" is a fixed amount each month. It is divided among people according to the percentage of total unique downloads. 

      So if a month has a spike in users and unique downloads it means you'll earn less per each download, as the global site amount is higher.

      Months with less traffic will have a higher reward per each download.

      April and may had a spike due to fallout show. The changes are not even applied yet. So more people downloaded mods in general, and that caused the value of each download to lower,as the money pool is a fixed amount of money.
      The download pool also takes into account money donated to autors through nexus patreon, so some months may see a higher amount of money pool due to generous donations from people.