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  1. wolfgrimdark
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    Well Mary looks great here. I have seen a lot of additional game stuff from my friend Alex on discord who shared his game play and was heavy into the game ... but not keen on how it ends for Arthur so he keeps stopping before that happens and moves to another game.

    Anyhow can't help as never played the game and you were always ahead of me with pose work on Beth games to begin with.  Good luck with the project though.
    1. cormell
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      I'm with Alex, Pat also. The game is organized in Chapters -- 5 chapters, and 2 epilogue chapters. I've been playing in Chapter 3 for months. Pat told me she just went back to Chapter 2. The inevitable outcome of the game progresses slowly, so playing in the earlier chapters eliminates some of the "stress" that develops later. (Same for Fallout 4. I've finished the game 3-4 times, but have been playing for years without talking to Codsworth or rescuing Preston. )
    2. wolfgrimdark
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      Yea Alex has spent hundreds of hours playing but keeps going back or trying to work around it :P
    3. FastBlackCat
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      I went through the whole game my first play through and by midpoint in Chapter 6, I had to force myself to continue, it was so heart breaking and painful. 
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      The only reason I continued on to finish the epilogues was because I wanted to see Micah dead, dead and more dead.   Honestly, after playing Arthur for a few hundred hours and then going through his ending left me pretty bummed even for a few weeks afterward.  I haven't played the first RDO (no PC version), I had no attachment to John Marston (who is your PC in the epilogues) and couldn't care less about him.  Not that he's a bad char, but I had no connection to him.

      Personally, out of four endings, I wish they had put one in where the main character doesn't die.  Even if he rode off into the sunset never to be seen again would have been preferable.  It seems to be a trend with some game makers, the same thing happens (so I've heard) in Cyberpunk.
    4. wolfgrimdark
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      Alex is Anataron by the way - he used to be on Nexus a lot but only visits rarely now.

      @Pat - That is what Alex somewhat said. On the other game you mention that isn't completely true. There is one option where you are still alive at the end with the message of hope of finding a cure/fix so the player could easily say they did. There are some other options as well but that one was my own preferred one.

      Never been a fan of dark endings myself and games that only have dark endings, with no other options at all, I don't play.
    5. cormell
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      OK, I follow Anataron. Right, he's not here very often.
  2. tgstyle24
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    First of all... this is a wonderful set again and the song fits perfectly

    You know I am not playing the game, but that doesn't stop me trying to help you.... and guess... I was typing this into google search: "rdr2 manipulating scenario pose" and the first result it showed me was your Nexus post here

    I also guess you are using this here, right... there was a question on how to use multiple scenarios and the mod author gave a workaround hint... not sure if this will help in any way... I think to get deeper into the whole modding thing of RDR2 I have to actually play the game and check the files.
    1. cormell
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      Thank you. LOL. Doing a google search that takes you right back to the nexus page has happened to me a couple of times also. I'm not using the mod you mentioned, but it might be better than looking at a list of 1400 scenarios. I'm using Rampage-- it lists all the scenarios, but you have to scroll through them to get the one you want. Slow and painful.
  3. jpsanchez072409
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    Oh hey cormell I remember you from the micah hanging image I made, also cool image
    1. cormell
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      Thanks. Yeah, I get around a little bit. I like this one --
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      Gee, I don't see why that is a failure.

      I'm in the process of trying to figure out how to manipulate and position characters like that. I know how to spawn Micah, but how did you set up the hanging?
    2. jpsanchez072409
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      Also, For this question "I've been stepping through the scenarios, all 1440 of them, to see which ones work and
      what they do. I'm making a list that may grow into a tutorial. If anyone knows how to
      move peds without breaking the scenario pose," I dont know exactly how but I think if you go to spawner, then objects, then creator cam and you can move objects and stuff, dont know if it works with scenarios i have not tried
    3. jpsanchez072409
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      I actually dont know for that I used cad5150 micah hanging video for that which replaces Colm o Driscol you would have to ask him he responds sometimes to comments
    4. jpsanchez072409
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      I just tried the scenario thing on a npc while using creator cam to move it and it worked
    5. jpsanchez072409
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      I just tried with the scenario creator cam thing and it worked 
    6. jpsanchez072409
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      I might have kind of a answer for that question also you can use the TieYourLasso Hangman edition which I use to hang NPC's or you could move micah around with creator camera and play around with scenarios, Personally I dont have the patience to test 1440 scenarios but you do it seems.
    7. cormell
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      Thanks. I'll have to see if I can find Creator Cam. sounds promising.
    8. jpsanchez072409
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      It is in Spawner - Objects - Creator Cam
  4. Bernt
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    A pretty Lady. I didn't know there were any handsome people in this game Ehrm - interesting what tell about the game. But at least it seems as if you've got a few things you can do - unlike OW. Though it surely makes you long for the freedom of Fallout. Excellent pictures. Full of emotion
    1. cormell
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      Thanks. Yes, some of the main characters are pleasant -- male and female. Most of the towns people, not so much. I'm working through this -- I should say slogging through. There is also a Map Editor geared more to set or home building since you can save the build. It's no FO4 Workshop or GECK, but it can be done (with perseverance).
  5. SomewhatWindy
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    No help here from me on the posing/scenario question, but I can definately see why she is his long lost love. Great looking Lady with a good dose of live experience , so it seems 
    1. cormell
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      I've got a couple more ideas to try. Obviously Rockstar has tools to manipulate characters and build the world space, but as far as I know they haven't shared them like Bethesda.

      I've got a little surprise -- special just for you -- coming in the video. Stay tuned.
    2. SomewhatWindy
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      You got me curious,..   I'm tuned 
  6. VoDovahKiin
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    Mary the one that got away and yet can't seem to stay away from poor Arthur.
    Best I can do is wish you luck for the video.
    Amazing captures my friend :)
    1. cormell
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      I'm a complete Arthur devotee, so I gotta say I don't care much for Mary. She knew they could no longer have a relation, but had absolutely no problem calling for his help. Despite her efforts to soft pedal using him, she was flat out taking advantage of him, because she could.

      Thanks. I don't think these will make it to the video, but I got a few decent shots while "practicing."
    2. FastBlackCat
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      You and I think the same about dear old Mary.  I know Arthur loves her (and always would), but I have more than a few bones to pick with her.   She cut him off with a lot of nasty things to say to him (she said it herself in her first letter yelling for help that "she said a lot of things"), goes and marries someone else, then every time she needs help, who's the first person she expects to help her?  Arthur.  *growls*

      Anyway, fabulous shots, you did a great job manipulating those dratted scenarios and emotes.
    3. cormell
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      Yeah. We talked about Marybeth as a love interest for Arthur, but... I'm thinking a little about an alternate reality where Mary has a change of heart and life style that brings them together after all. Something to think about. The truth is -- I watched Mary and Arthur take a moonlit ride in cinema mode from Tumbleweed to Blackwater last night. Eh, maybe not all that romantic, but with a full moon, it struck me that way.
  7. thesarantis
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    These illustrations and especially the poses exude an emotional atmosphere!
    Great set Laird!
    1. cormell
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      Thank you very much. The good thing about these "poses" is that they are animations. So, the npc moves her arms and head and changes expression somewhat while maintaining the pose.
  8. blu377
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    Hello Mary. Very cool shots indeed, I love the stoic attitude in the banister shot Best of luck with the video mate
    1. cormell
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      Glad you liked it. It's a gazebo at a ranch in Tumbleweed -- fairly picturesque. I liked the pose and ended up shooting it at several times of day and weather conditions.
  9. Stavetskaya
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    I didn't know anything about that plot, but the captures are really lovely, Laird! Warm colors, posing and their expressions are beautiful)
    1. cormell
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      I don't want to spoil this part of the plot, although Mary's interactions are side quests. Arthur has probably never loved another woman and probably will never love again. He writes in his journal that he knows that Mary is playing him like a fiddle, and realizes he'll probably be taken for a fool once again, but can't help going to her. She loves him in her own way, but just can't accept the life he leads.
      Thanks. I'm glad you liked it.
    2. Stavetskaya
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      Thanks a lot for the answer, I've read some comments here and understand the picture) And it sounds awfully familiar))) I really sometimes can't understand why such toxic relationships even called "love"...  But leave it in the mind of a scenarist))) 
  10. etholas
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    The last image is superb.
    1. cormell
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      Thanks. I shot several of that scene and will use them in the vid I'm making. It's a cheat though. Mary is not sitting on the kitchen counter and Arthur's hand/arm is not leaning on the cabinets. As far as I can tell there is no way to position characters where you want them. So you move them close "cast" the scenario and hope they end up in a decent position. Then by the tricks of the camera angle take a believable picture. I actually wanted her to be sitting on a chair for this shot, but I couldn't get her to move down without breaking the pose.