Modding is just a kind of hobby and pastime for me, I am enjoying the process of implement ideas in my mind into practice through mods. I am also glad that there a such huge and prosperity modding community, which I gained plenty of approve and friendship from it.
However recently there are many entitled users that showed deep malice and disrespect to mod authors, their opinions and speech can be summarized as following:
Although bethesda ruined mods by updated the game, I don't blame them while I blame mod author who didn't update his mod to compatible with the newest game version immediatly in the next day, since I believe mod authors are obliged to do so. If a mod author don't do that, that just indicate that he's lazy and Irresponsible.
It's unbelievable to see such entitled claim, It seems that those entitled users refer mod authors as thier free labor slaves: As long as you publish a mod for free, then you has the responsibility to keep maintaining it for me until your last breath. Does all of those mod authors who published free mods in nexus owned them a large debt?
These entitled users defileded and ruined the entire mod community, and I am feeling extremely reluctant to serve them with my mods, Also I don't want to take the responsibility to keep updating my mods until my last breath once Bethesda has updated the game and broke things, so here is the decision I made:
I will support only 1.5.97 game runtime for all of my future published skse plugins, But in the other hand I will keep all of my plugins open source and open permissions, therfore anyone who willing to take the responsibilities of update the plugin until his last breath could port it to support the newest game version himself.
P.S: I never ever put any of my mod behind a payment wall, and also won't do that in future.
I am not really abandon the AE users actually: I would still leave a convenient channel of merge my plugins into the newest game runtime version, I keep the plugin open source and the plugin is developing based on Clib-NG (the same library of developing 1.6x runtime plugins) which means it won't spend much effort for other developer when porting it to the newest runtime.If there is one day bethesda promises not to update the game exe anymore and specify the final version of the game, I will aslo come back and port the plugins myself. So there is nothing really loss for long term.
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You're expecting people who have had updates forced upon them through Steam or other stores to just magically take the blame for something that is clearly the developer's/publisher's doing. You're pissed off because people want the stuff that you made that they rely upon to actually work, or at the very least to have some idea when, or even if, they can expect the mod to be updated next.
More than that, you've deliberately misrepresented what the users said, by claiming they were "impatient" because you didn't update it the same day. The problem, though, is that in most cases these complaints weren't because the mod wasn't updated the same day as a game update, but that there was pure silence from the mod author for weeks, months, and in some cases, years after the update to the game.
Us wanting something to work is not self-entitlement. You expecting us to "just deal" absolutely is.
Yes, a lot of mod users are indeed self-entitled, screaming in the comments about how horrible mod authors are and so on. They can be horribly abusive, as the author of DAR probably knows first-hand (but at the same time, he also kind of deserved it because he gave the entire community the silent treatment for months, and didn't update his mod until OAR, a competing mod, was about to be released almost a year later).
But guess what? The dude you quoted isn't one of those abusive people. He gave you valid reasons for what he said, he gave you reasonable answers while you shat on him for daring to question you as if you were some kind of ancient God-King incensed at some lowly scribe, whose only crime was daring to point out how your newest decree contradicts the one you made five minutes ago.
Well, you're not a god, and we users are under no obligation to worship you and certainly have no obligation to "just deal" the way you keep demanding that we do. This isn't a hierarchy, and you are not special, and your entire OP is one giant projection of your own behavior onto users so you don't have to change how you treat other people.
In short, you are the very thing you are complaining about. Self-entitled, demanding, childish, and then crying like a baby when someone else calls you out on it.
PS: By the way, I still use 1.5.97, so don't try to act as though I'm an "entitled AE user" like you seem to think anybody who dares to ask for an update is.
What more do you want? For him to work for free for you? And you dare call someone else entitled?
I pity your family and anyone who has to deal with you. Probably not a lot of people, at least.
imo, if youre getting MAD impatient about updates distract yourself or something.
such drama.
@maxsu- many thousands of people download and endorse your mods, but many dont comment without reason.
the reason can be stupid or wrong.
the vast, vast majority of us downloads thankfully and silently.
a couple of toxic people are maybe 0.1% of your community, but they write a lot, so it can come off as most acting negative.
they dont speak for me.
its logical we want updates i guess any modder expects this, and its also logical those require actual work and time.
in a way both "camps" are correct but you can overdo anything.
and telling an open source modder to his face that he is acting "entitled" requires a special type of white knight.
u dont mess with good authors, you encourage and thank them.
would you give free stuff to people you dont like?
some authors can be arrogant and/or greedy but not this one as far as i can see.
also this: show me someone who isnt a complete idiot occasionally, thing is, the internet makes it very easy to vent your anger before thinking better of it.
And guess what? THEY ACTUALLY ENTITLED TO EXPECT YOU TO DEAL WITH IT. AS MUCH AS YOU'RE ENTITLED TO WANT SOMETHING TO WORK.
They don't need your feedback to keep their mod exist. They need feedback to know if or keeping their mods work with something else. Be it updates or to play nice with another mods. Seriously, let's be real:
Compare how many comments that says "Does this work with x?" or "Can you make a patch for x?" with "Cool mod, thanks". Sure, the one with more of the former comments gets more attention because they do their best to make it compatible to another mods. But authors have a choice and ACTUALLY ENTITLED to not to.
If you want something from the author, ASK NICELY and BE PATIENT. AND IF A NO MEANS NO. If a mod author goes radio silence, take the bloody hint and call it dead and MOVE ON. This has little consequences because the author can revive it at anytime if they're so inclined.
Your reply basically a store customer asking a store owner for something they don't have. And you demandingly ask them to make it available immediately because you feel that you're entitled to get it from them. And you think that's their fault for not having the stuff immediately without care or even bother asking if it is or will be in store. YOU JUST FEEL ENTITLEDLY DESERVE IT.
YOU SEE THE PROBLEM HERE? MAXSU IS THE STORE OWNER. AND THE A LOT OF GOOD STORE OWNERS LIKE HIM WHO MAKES GOOD THINGS CLOSED SHOP BECAUSE THEY DOESN'T HAVE AN IOTA OF SANITY TO DEAL WITH "ENTITLED" EXCUSES OF CUSTOMERS LIKE YOU.
THIS ISN'T EVEN A STORE, GODDAMMIT. THE "STORE OWNERS" MAKE AND GIVE THINGS FOR FREE. AND THEY'RE ONLY HUMANS NOT MAGICIANS. EVEN MAGICIANS HAVE LIVES.
Mother of literal f*cks..... I don't even want to comment on this. I mean, maxsu made his dll open source so anyone can work it. And even if he is, i won't blame him. He made the plugins, he published the plugins. Under his name. Does it occur to you there's such a thing is DM in Nexus? Imagine thousands of people bothered enough to go out of their way to DM you and ask you 'politely' if you're lucky, to update every single of your mods after an update that changes the base of the code entirely.
And in case you don't know: .dll plugin in Skyrim is delicate. Getting them updated is one thing and it's not easy. Let alone play nice with another mods. And they require updated version of SKSE and Address library. If you really need someone to point your fingers on, Blame Todd. Not the ones who do the dirty work to improve the game like the mod authors. Hell, we're lucky they give most of their stuff for free and don't PAYWALL OUT OF EXCUSES TO GET PROFIT.
As for the AE case, as far as i'm concerned Maxsu is free to don't give a damn about them. And i'm an AE user. BECAUSE HE IS THE ONE WHO MAKES AND PUBLISH HIS MODS AND CAN'T KEEP UP WITH THE UPDATES, THEREFORE HE IS FREE NOT TO GIVE TWO LICKS ABOUT THINGS HE DON'T WANT TO SUPPORT.
BOTTOM LINE:
MOD AUTHORS MAKE THINGS VOLUNTARILY. THEY MAKE WHAT THEY WANT, WHEN THEY WANT.
RESPECT THE AUTHOR AND BE NICE.
THEY HAVE WHAT YOU NEED? COOL. LET THEM KNOW IF YOU HAVE ISSUES.
THEY DON'T HAVE WHAT YOU WANT? NEED FIX? ASK NICELY, BE POLITE, AND BE PATIENT.
BETTER YET, APPRECIATE THEM. THUMBS UP, AT THE VERY LEAST.
OTHERWISE, HIT THE F*CKING ROAD. YES, YOU HAVE A CHOICE TO LEAVE.
THAT'S THE ENTIRE THING SUMMARIZED. I DON'T SUPPORT DOWNGRADES FOR LOWER 'INTELLEGENCES'.
But "Look, you can't take away people's right to be A$$H0LES!" - Simon Phoenix, Demolition Man, 1993.
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Yeah well, A$$holery has gone too far. That's the updated title of 21st century, folks.
Jesus himself wouldn't be able to balance the ratio of asshats and anyone with common sense in this community. No wonder a lot of good authors move to their own patreon, left, or stop entirely. I'm gonna keep my stuff to myself and make sure they never see the light of day. Holy Malacath, what the f-ck is wrong with people these days? Did someone piss off a wrong someone and get magically turned into trolls or something?
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P.S. Berating ingrates aside, i encourage nexus users who still value their conscience and morals (If you have any, that is) to just get what you need and move along. See posts and comments if you're struggling with installation, but if you can stay out of it as much as possible. And for Nerevar's sake, read the goddamn description. Trust me brothers, sisters, and non binary homies. It's for your own good.
But read up ff7legend's comment and get deja vu of: microsoft played the poor consumers like a fiddle.
Bethesda literally hasn't updated the game in over a year, I think it's time to give up the crusade against the updates
Even though I don't understand the reasons behind continuing to udpate the game exe, as I'm not a modder myself, I still think that "forcing" modders to constantly update too is just not normal.
In my humble opinion, other modders should actually do like you, because most of the CC content already existed as a mod, whether it be quests, items, or even survival mode (and some will even say that these mods surpass the CC in terms of quality).
Anyway, I find it admirable that you leave your mods' rights open to the community and I can't wait to see what you create next.
Kudos :)
It's amazing how often people are under the impression that, once you make a mod, you're bound to support it for life, and not only that, you're expected to provide same-day support months or years later. Or when something changes that requires extensive troubleshooting and testing, they expect you to put your job, your family, your other interests and commitments, and everything else on hold to get it done now.
There is a reason that I agreed to pass management of my only popular mod (DarkUI for Oblivion) on to someone else when they asked (and they did ask.)
Why is bethesda changing the game engine with every new update?
Can someone explain to me the reason for this?
Wouldn't it be better if they only created new dlc mods and addons?
Does the 1.6.640 exe have an advantage over the 1.5.97 exe?
*Runs away quickly as the community reaches for their torches & pitchforks* 😂
On a serious note there is a trade off for the author as the author gets less downloads and Nexus currency if its not compatible with a version used by most users (including 99.9% of new modders), so updating wouldn't necessarily need to be entirely altruistic if the author cared about such things.
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