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Start the Civil War and become Thane of Whiterun without completing the Main Quest "Dragon Rising". Requires a New Game.
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Backported to Legendary Edition by LucioJyggalag
Disconnects the Civil War quest Message to Whiterun from the Main Quests Bleak Falls Barrow and Dragon Rising, and allows you to become Balgruuf's Thane without being Dragonborn. Can only be installed on a New Game. Featuring new, fully-voiced scenes for Farengar if Balgruuf and Irileth are in exile!
Becoming Thane of Whiterun
At any time, you can approach Balgruuf and say "I'm looking for work." This will start an updated version of Bleak Falls Barrow, which is now Balgruuf's Favor Quest for becoming Thane. When you return with the Dragonstone, tell Balgruuf "I'm back from Bleak Falls Barrow." The quest will end, you will be rewarded, Dragon Rising will not start, and you can now ask "My Jarl, is there anything else you need?" This will start a version of the standard Thane quest to Purchase Breezehome and Assist the People of Whiterun.
If Balgruuf has been sent into exile as part of the Civil War, talk to the new Jarl and follow the usual steps to become Thane.
Continuing the Civil War
When you arrive in Dragonsreach during Message to Whiterun, you can now give Balgruuf the message from Ulfric or Tullius and get a response immediately*. The Civil War will continue unhindered, Balgruuf will be replaced as Jarl if necessary, and you never need to become Dragonborn. Any dialogue referring to you as the Dragonborn is disabled if you have not completed Dragon Rising.
* You may need to complete the final scene of Before the Storm first, for example if you already have that quest and have been sent to talk to the Jarl by someone in Riverwood, or if you have Alternate Start mods that begin the Main Quest with this scene.
Continuing the Main Quest
The Main Quest will not progress automatically after Before the Storm is completed, but it is still of course possible to continue it when you're ready - Dragon Rising is required, but Bleak Falls Barrow is optional. The Way of the Voice will start as soon as Dragon Rising is complete, as normal. Delphine's dialogue mentioning the source of the Map of Dragon Burials is disabled if Bleak Falls Barrow is not completed.
If Balgruuf is still Jarl, once you have completed Before the Storm, ask him "What else can I help you with?" (or "I'm looking for work.") to start Bleak Falls Barrow and progress towards becoming Thane, or "How can you protect Whiterun from the dragons?" to start Dragon Rising immediately. The two quests cannot be done concurrently, but once one is done, you can do the other.
If Balgruuf has been exiled, and you have not completed Before the Storm, Jarl Vignar (or Jarl Hrongar, if you have my other mod) will not believe you when you tell him that a dragon has destroyed Helgen, and you will need to tell Farengar instead. Once Before the Storm has been completed, ask Farengar "Are there any projects you need help with?" to start Bleak Falls Barrow and recover the Dragonstone, or ask him "Have you encountered any dragons?" to start Dragon Rising. The two quests cannot be done concurrently, but once one is done, you can do the other.
With Balgruuf and Irileth in exile, Farengar finally gets his chance to see a dragon, and will take Irileth's place in Dragon Rising, including fully-voiced scenes at the Guard Barracks and the Western Watchtower. After Mirmulnir is defeated, Farengar will send you to the Greybeards, starting The Way of the Voice.
Other Features
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Notes
Disconnects the Civil War quest Message to Whiterun from the Main Quests Bleak Falls Barrow and Dragon Rising, and allows you to become Balgruuf's Thane without being Dragonborn. Can only be installed on a New Game. Featuring new, fully-voiced scenes for Farengar if Balgruuf and Irileth are in exile!
Becoming Thane of Whiterun
At any time, you can approach Balgruuf and say "I'm looking for work." This will start an updated version of Bleak Falls Barrow, which is now Balgruuf's Favor Quest for becoming Thane. When you return with the Dragonstone, tell Balgruuf "I'm back from Bleak Falls Barrow." The quest will end, you will be rewarded, Dragon Rising will not start, and you can now ask "My Jarl, is there anything else you need?" This will start a version of the standard Thane quest to Purchase Breezehome and Assist the People of Whiterun.
If Balgruuf has been sent into exile as part of the Civil War, talk to the new Jarl and follow the usual steps to become Thane.
Continuing the Civil War
When you arrive in Dragonsreach during Message to Whiterun, you can now give Balgruuf the message from Ulfric or Tullius and get a response immediately*. The Civil War will continue unhindered, Balgruuf will be replaced as Jarl if necessary, and you never need to become Dragonborn. Any dialogue referring to you as the Dragonborn is disabled if you have not completed Dragon Rising.
* You may need to complete the final scene of Before the Storm first, for example if you already have that quest and have been sent to talk to the Jarl by someone in Riverwood, or if you have Alternate Start mods that begin the Main Quest with this scene.
Continuing the Main Quest
The Main Quest will not progress automatically after Before the Storm is completed, but it is still of course possible to continue it when you're ready - Dragon Rising is required, but Bleak Falls Barrow is optional. The Way of the Voice will start as soon as Dragon Rising is complete, as normal. Delphine's dialogue mentioning the source of the Map of Dragon Burials is disabled if Bleak Falls Barrow is not completed.
If Balgruuf is still Jarl, once you have completed Before the Storm, ask him "What else can I help you with?" (or "I'm looking for work.") to start Bleak Falls Barrow and progress towards becoming Thane, or "How can you protect Whiterun from the dragons?" to start Dragon Rising immediately. The two quests cannot be done concurrently, but once one is done, you can do the other.
If Balgruuf has been exiled, and you have not completed Before the Storm, Jarl Vignar (or Jarl Hrongar, if you have my other mod) will not believe you when you tell him that a dragon has destroyed Helgen, and you will need to tell Farengar instead. Once Before the Storm has been completed, ask Farengar "Are there any projects you need help with?" to start Bleak Falls Barrow and recover the Dragonstone, or ask him "Have you encountered any dragons?" to start Dragon Rising. The two quests cannot be done concurrently, but once one is done, you can do the other.
With Balgruuf and Irileth in exile, Farengar finally gets his chance to see a dragon, and will take Irileth's place in Dragon Rising, including fully-voiced scenes at the Guard Barracks and the Western Watchtower. After Mirmulnir is defeated, Farengar will send you to the Greybeards, starting The Way of the Voice.
Other Features
- Start The Whispering Door (Mephala's Daedric quest) without completing Dragon Rising.
- Note that I accept no responsibility for NPC deaths during Mephala's quest - if you haven't completed Dragon Rising yet, try not to kill anyone needed by that quest (i.e. Farengar)!
- Note that I accept no responsibility for NPC deaths during Mephala's quest - if you haven't completed Dragon Rising yet, try not to kill anyone needed by that quest (i.e. Farengar)!
- Start In My Time Of Need (Alik'r Warriors quest) without completing Dragon Rising.
Compatibility
- Compatible with (and designed for) Serious Civil War Consequences for Jarl Balgruuf.
- Compatible with Exiled Jarls Don't Require Favors.
- Compatible with Miscellaneous Quests are Favors.
- Partially Compatible with Memorable Dragons - use the Main File, not the Optional (Initially Disabled) file.
- Reported Compatible with Dragons from the Start (untested).
- Patch Included for Alternate Start - Live Another Life.
- Do not use this mod with LAL's Dragonborn/High Hrothgar starting option addon (I don't know how it skips the quests, so things might break).
- Do not use this mod with LAL's Dragonborn/High Hrothgar starting option addon (I don't know how it skips the quests, so things might break).
- Patch Included for A Proper Thane for Winterhold.
- Patch Included for Realm of Lorkhan - Freeform Alternate Start.
- Patch Included for the non-Dragonborn mod In Your Shadow (disables Dragon Rising completely).
- Load After files from Alternate Perspective - Alternate Start - should be compatible without a patch (partially tested).
- You will however need to start the AP Intro Quest (which destroys Helgen) before you can join the Civil War or start the Main Quest.
- Do not use this mod with AP's Dragonborn/Ivarstead starting option (I don't know how it skips the quests, so things might break).
- Load After the Main Quest module of At Your Own Pace.
- Ensure loose files from this mod overwrite those from AYOP-MQ.
- Disable AYOP-MQ's delay to Bleak Falls Barrow and Dragon Rising in that mod's MCM - this mod includes equivalent functionality.
- Load After most of my other mods, particularly Thane of Riften Requires Favors and Serious Civil War Consequences for Jarl Balgruuf.
- Not Compatible with Thane of Whiterun Requires Favors. This mod includes the same functionality.
- Not Compatible with Skyrim Unbound Reborn (you don't need this mod with that one).
- Not Compatible with Beyond Unbound Game Start (BUGS), use In Your Shadow instead.
Notes
- This mod doesn't disable Word Walls - if you get close enough, you will still learn Words of Power.
- Learning the Word of Power in Bleak Falls Barrow is no longer required to complete that quest (or The Golden Claw quest), and you can ignore the Word Wall completely (if you stay far enough away from it while defeating the boss).
- Use In Your Shadow if you want to completely disable Word Walls (compatibility untested).
- You will learn the first word of Unrelenting Force during Dragon Rising if you have not visited Bleak Falls Barrow.
- This mod doesn't disable Dragon Souls - if you kill a dragon, you will still absorb its soul.
- Use In Your Shadow if you want to fight dragons without absorbing their souls (compatibility untested).
- Use In Your Shadow if you want to fight dragons without absorbing their souls (compatibility untested).
- Dragons will not spawn if you do not complete Dragon Rising.
- Use Dragons from the Start if you want dragons without completing Dragon Rising (reported compatible, untested).
- Use Dragons from the Start if you want dragons without completing Dragon Rising (reported compatible, untested).
- I haven't tested every combination and iteration of the order these quests can now be done in - if something doesn't work, let me know how you got there!