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JumpModlist Troubleshooting Guide
Now write down the following console commands since you'll need them to repair the test bike:
player.additem 000220FB 1
player.additem 000220FE 2
player.setav repair 100
The test procedure will always involve coc'ing to one of the DC Wasteland bike locations from the main menu, repairing it with the additem commands, and testing it from there. If you use tgm at any point, make sure to turn it off before riding.
1) Double check that you have all of the script requirements (FOSE, Command Extender, etc.), as well as the correct load order (see the Load Order section for more). Then test it. If it works, the problem was a missing dependency or incorrect load order; if not, proceed to step 2.
2) Make a new test profile in MO/MO2 (or in whatever your mod manager is) and uncheck all of your mods (in the left pane), except MotA and its requirements. Doing this will confirm whether your issues are a mod conflict. If it still has issues, I can only imagine it's a problem with your FO3 installation; if it works fine, we now know that it's a mod conflict, so proceed to step 3.
3) Make another copy of your original modlist in your mod manager, and get ready to do some work. Using a troubleshooting procedure (apparently) known as Half Splitting, disable roughly half of your modlist (not including the mod requirements, of course) in the left pane of your mod manager. Then test it.
If the bike works fine, you now know that the conflict was somewhere in the disabled half of your list; if it still doesn't work, you know that the conflict is in the enabled half of your modlist. Now make a new copy of your original modlist, and disable half of the conflicted half, and test. Continue to take halves of the conflicted halves in this manner until you pinpoint which mod(s) is creating the conflict, and decide how you'll resolve the problem. Filtering for conflicts in FO3Edit may help illuminate what the problem is with the problematic mod(s).
Troubleshooting & Known Issues
Additions:
- Added new and improved VFX/SFX for different speed levels and states.
- Added PipBoy radio toggle function (hold 'C' for 1 second to turn on/off).
- Added variable chances to gib body part(s) on roadkills/run over corpses; blade upgrade dramatically increases gibbing odds.
- Added weapon fire for equipped weapons while riding. Weapon must be drawn prior to mounting bike.
- Added comments, section labels, line breaks, and more to most scripts, vastly improving their legibility.
Changes:
- Changed damage effects so they all decrease the efficiency factor of the damaged motorcycle, some effects more so than others.
- Changed damage script area of effect from 2 to 1.
- Changed damage script physics formulas to be more realistic.
- Changed damage script so teammates are not exempt from being hit by motorcycles.
- Changed some values/effects of some damage effects.
- Changed bikes to have different names, stats, and specialties to make them more unique.
- Changed deep water access menu so that drowned bikes can be picked up.
- Changed driving script so bikes have scalable deceleration and fuel consumption rates influenced by their stats.
- Changed handling model to a more realistic one.
- Changed kick-off trigger to include player entering a ragdoll state; EKMotAPatch.esp is now obsolete and can be disabled from load orders.
- Changed bike menu weight display to show its current carry capacity vs. its current maximum.
- Changed bike naming scheme to "Motorcycle - [Model Name] ([Modifier])"; e.g., "Motorcycle - Reaper (Armored)".
- Changed menu handling while riding so that the following menus will not trigger collisions: Console; Message; Inventory; Stats; HUDMainMenu; Pause; LevelUp; RaceMenu, BarberMenu, and PlasticSurgeryMenu; and Tutorial menus
- Changed note text found on rebuilt motorcycles to include new information and troubleshooting tips, and to be more immersive.
- Changed speedometer message refresh time to be more responsive.
- Changed speedometer message to one with a custom (transparent) image.
- Changed or added more driving, riding, and collision VFX/SFX.
- Changed unrepaired bike textures to their repaired version's textures.
- Changed VFX/SFX handling to improve variety and quality at different states and speeds.
Fixes:
- Fixed collision accuracy to reduce false positives (they may still occur, especially at lower speeds).
- Fixed collision checks being disabled, image space modifiers not clearing, jump SFX not playing, and in-air movement being enabled when at speed with the engine off.
- Fixed the direction the player gets thrown off the bike during crashes.
- Fixed player dismounting inside the bike model.
- Fixed turn animations getting stuck, in most instances.
- Fixed menus triggering collisions while riding.
- Fixed certain menus causing player to get stuck in the riding animation/mode even after dismounting.
- Fixed inaccurate acceleration formula.
- Fixed picked-up motorcycles getting stuck as undroppable quest items.
- Fixed XP not being awarded for roadkills.
- Fixed various VFX/SFX handling issues, including doubling and transitions.
- Fixed backpack slotted items, including Big Guns, from causing the bike to be invisible. Side effect: all Big Guns are not usable while riding.
- Fixed holstered weapons sticking out of character body before and after riding.
Optimizations:
- Optimized collision detection, increasing responsiveness.
- Optimized damage script, improving responsiveness and legibility.
- Optimized driving script, improving performance.
- Optimized jump handling, improving responsiveness.
- Optimized processing when in-air and upon landing, improving responsiveness and accuracy.
- Optimized turn processing (turn rate is still affected by your game's FPS: the less FPS you have, the slower the turn rate will be and visa-versa).
- Optimized VFX/SFX handling, increasing responsiveness.
Previous releases:
v1.23 Update Patch Notes (Released)
IMPORTANT NOTES:
NOTE I: This update introduces a pick-up feature for owned motorcycles that allows you to take them into interiors and different worldspaces, but may not be compatible with saves where a motorcycle has been rebuilt prior to the update's installation. In such cases of incompatibility, when you pick up a bike it will be stuck as a quest object, which then cannot be dropped without a console code. I've spent dozens of hours of my free time trying to figure out why this was happening, but as far as I can tell, MenuMode isn't reporting accurate menu codes for some reason, which breaks the item script. Even so, the update can still be installed and the pick-up feature can be utilized on such savegames--you'll just have to use a console code every time you want to drop the relevant bike back into the world.
To set a bike stuck as a quest item in your inventory back into a droppable item:
1) open the Pip-Boy on Misc items,
2) open the console ("~") and enter the following command (bold text) for the relevant bike:
SetQuestItem 0, MotorcycleRemakeItemARMY -> Motorcycle - Army
SetQuestItem 0, MotorcycleRemakeItemBLACK -> Motorcycle - Black
SetQuestItem 0, MotorcycleRemakeItemBLUE -> Motorcycle - Blue
SetQuestItem 0, MotorcycleRemakeItemKPD -> Motorcycle - Police
SetQuestItem 0, MotorcycleRemakeItemRED -> Motorcycle - Red
SetQuestItem 0, MotorcycleRemakeItemRUSTY -> Motorcycle - Ol' Rusty
3) now you can drop the bike like normal (right-click it in the item menu)
NOTE II: While riding, NPCs will not force greet you, and other automatic scripts may have problems triggering, so ride in unexplored locations (especially interiors) with caution.
NOTE III: Motorcycles cannot be stored in any containers, nor be sold. This was to prevent crashes (in the case of bartering them), as well as to avoid the unrealism of storing a motorcycle inside a briefcase, lol.
It is mainly for the first note above that the pick-up feature was removed from v1.22, and made into an optional update. Should I continue to develop MotA, this 1.23 version will be the foundation for future updates.
Additions:
- added motorcycle items (see Adjustments below) weighing 450lbs
Adjustments:
- motorcycles can now be picked up as items (only one at a time), then dropped into the world to access their features again; this means bikes can be taken to and from, and ridden within, interiors and different worldspaces
v1.22 Patch Notes (Released)
Bug fixes:
- fixed speedometer messages getting backed up after enough time
- minor script optimizations
Adjustments:
- weight now does not affect a motorcycle's top speed, so they can reach their maximum speed regardless of how much they're hauling
- acceleration and braking rates are now affected by the total weight of a motorcycle + rider, so bikes will accelerate and brake more slowly as their weight increases
- reduced the influence player mass has on the collision script's damage to the player by ~75%
- the sissy bar component has been removed from the Red motorcycle's 3D model, while both the Red and Black motorcycles have had the baggage components removed from their 3D models to help further distinguish them somewhat from other models
- slightly improved collisions will now throw the player with SetVelEx according to their speed
v1.21 Quickfix Patch Notes (Released)
Bug fixes:
- fix for crash when collisions kill player
- fix for broken legs animation issue
- fix for stuck in riding animation issue
Adjustments:
- can no longer get off motorcycles at high speed or while in the air
v1.20 Patch Notes (Released)
Bug fixes:
- fixed crash when colliding at speed with only 1HP
- fixed hands glitch
- fixed imperfect riding animation loop
- improved mounting/dismounting health and injury tracking
- fixed Armored Police bike name being "Army"
- corrected erroneous editor ID names/references
- script optimizations
Mod compatibility improvements:
- fixed the Helpless Falling patch from being required -> purely optional
- optional compatibility patch for Explosion Knockdowns
Additions:
- New leaf spring suspension upgrade: reduces carry weight maximum speed penalty (does not increase top speed); prevents fall damage for falls < 4 seconds long; prevents getting kicked off bikes from long falls
- New at-speed motion blur and subtle camera shake FX; new strong camera and HUD shake FX from big collisions
- New redlining and in-air acceleration, jump, and jump landing SFX
Adjustments:
- The rusty motorcycle has been relocated (see the "Cheat Sheet" spoiler in the description for more details)
- Bikes can now be ridden with drawn weapons, and the drawn weapon will appear on the player's right hand (weapons still cannot be fired while mounted)
- Improved on-bike player damage handling
- steering is disallowed while in the air for > 0.2 sec. for handling realism
- speed does not change while in the air
- slightly reduced carry weight slowdown penalty for all un/upgraded bikes, and eliminated bike overweight threshold penalty
- ~100mph maximum achievable top speed as a result of carry weight formula adjustments
- improved dirt, shutoff, and idle loop SFX
- rebuilding, repairing, upgrading, and salvaging bikes now advances time (1 - 8hrs) and can no longer be done in the middle of combat
- jumping with the jump upgrade now activates a 2 sec. cooldown (to prevent ridiculous bunny-hopping)
Potential Future Update Changes:
Mortality Update (release date: who knows, maybe never)
- Give each bike its own HP stat for world models
- Report more accurate activator damage via Set/GetDestructionDataHealth
- Before/after dismounting save/load destruction stage for activators via Set/GetDestructionDataNumStages
- Damage bike activators after collisions via the above functions
- Add tune up (increased efficiency factor especially on worse bikes), braking power, additional fuel capacity?, restored paint (changes model's texture to less grimy one), and radio upgrades
- Add another set of motorcycle SFX for non-upgraded engines, switches to current throaty set with CC upgrade
- Fix riding position animation for Kalassic models
- Implementation of at-speed bailing that lets you get off bikes at high speeds, and which would cause the bike to drive off by itself for a bit before falling (kind of like the bomb in the J3X Advanced mod, but not explosive)
- New, fusion-powered bike based on J3X's mods (models/animations)
- Optional patch to make all, random numbers of, or certain handpicked vanilla bikes, into generic rideable activators without upgrades/storage/repairs/refueling/etc.
Got feedback, suggestions, reproducible bug/mod conflict reports, or feasible feature requests/ideas? Leave a reply on this sticky and let me know them, but please do not leave troubleshooting requests and other unrelated questions here--just make a normal mod comment for those.
Does it support joystick?
Will there be a TTW version or a Fallout New Vegas port?
ok after resetting it several times it let me ride it. However there is no indicator as to how to store it in the backpack. I have all the patches installed in the correct load order. But for some reason I see no way to put it in backpack.
I have tried every which way to make this mod work. I tried to uncheck like all of my mods and put the mods for this higher and lower in the list but even then the game still would crash from time to time. I would probably have to delete everything and install each of my mods one by one to see what could possibly be upsetting this thing and that is just way to much work. Really wish I could get this to work. I got to ride it for just a few moments but when I got off it and back on it crashed again. After 5 hours im done. im sad this would have been so fun to play with. oh well.
Did you find Ol' Rusty at the Vault 112 exterior, or at Jocko's Pop & Gas Stop? Testing just now made me realize that I forgot to update the spoiler location in the description to "coc GasStation02" (edit: now updated), but if you found it at "coc Vault112ExteriorNEW" then you're using an old version of the mod that is not compatible with the v1.23 update. If you are correctly using v1.22 with the update loaded after it, then it is a mod conflict (especially if this is the first time you've ever used this mod).
Follow the "Modlist Troubleshooting Guide" to pinpoint mod conflicts; you don't need to disable each mod one-by-one, the guide shows you how to do it much more efficiently, and the technique works for any mod conflict as it is a troubleshooting method used in general programming, and has many different applications.
As for crashes when you had no other mods installed, under what circumstances exactly did they occur?
is this compatable with followers like the FNV version where you can give them "ride tokens" and when you ride they also ride along side you or is this player only?
normally i use controller (xbox) but know from the FNV version it uses mouse and keyboard controls but it still dosnt move even when using non controllers. could you make a patch so it works with controllers or explain what i am doing wrong. to be clear: am able to use controller to "ride" the bike aka mount after holstering weapons it but wont move when pressing the "A" button or the "W/S/A/D" keys on keyboard (when controller is disabled in game control options)
also when finding the bikes you have the option to "steel it" but unlike the FNV version it isnt added to your misc section so am unsure how you are meant to "collect" each of them unless you mean ride it and leave them each at a set location
1) Make sure godmode (tgm) is off while mounted. I'll add this to the troubleshooting section later.
2) Make a new test profile in MO/MO2 (or in whatever your mod manager is) and uncheck all of your mods (in the left pane), except MotA and its requirements. Then from the main menu of the game, coc to one of the DC Wasteland bike locations, repair it with additem, and test it.
As for controller support, I don't remember if it's coded in or not;
I'll try some quick tests tonightI couldn't get a controller to be detected by FO3, so couldn't test it.Finally, no, there aren't inventory items. When a bike is repaired, it exists only in the worldspace it was repaired in. So by collect, I meant to literally gather them together, and didn't have the PL bikes in mind when I wrote that statement.I suppose a way to take one of the bikes with you on/off the ferry could be added, but another developer would have to add that.This feature has been added in v1.22.as for collecting the bikes a location i can see working is the dots diner above the train station where you kill the ghouls for Tenpenny so maybe adding a red rocket structure there would be something others would want.
i always have the "strong back" perk and when testing the bike it had nothing in its inventory so carryweight shouldnt have been an issue to make it not move faster than a walk ( walk as in literally having caps lock on so you walk not jog)
any help or fixes would be welcome
If your character is carrying over ~400 - 500 weight, it doesn't matter what upgrades the bike has, it'll still only crawl along at walking pace. This was intentional to add realism and balance. (Note: adjusted in v1.2)In v1.22, immobility at certain weight thresholds has been eliminated and replaced with acceleration/braking efficiency effects due to weight, instead.If your weight is low and it's still slow, follow the conflict troubleshooting guide I posted in the sticky.
Even so, I've made a separate version of the mod with the weight tracking removed from the top speed formula, so now motorcycles can reach their maximum speed regardless of how much weight they're hauling. Their inventory capacity is unchanged, though, so they'll still only be able to carry 400lbs at most.This file will be obsolete after v1.22's release, as the new version implements the same thing, with effects on acceleration/braking efficiency instead of finite carry weight.Edit for posterity: After editing the acceleration/braking portions of the driving script to be impacted by weight, combined with the changes mentioned above, I actually like how motorcycles work more now as weight increases. It's also more realistic in that even if they had tons of weight on them they could still theoretically reach their max speed--it would just take much longer for them to get to it. The most unrealistic thing about these changes is that there's no cheap way I know of detecting if the player is traveling up or down a slope in FO3, which in real life is a huge concern for heavy vehicles, but I think I'll push the changes in an update regardless after I fix the collision script and test things out more.
I don't know how to check to see about any conflict here some help would be really appreciated because this seams like a cool mod
I wish I could though, since I've put probably a couple hundred hours into making my modlist over the last decade+, and I would like to be able to share it, especially as a backup in case my SSD ever goes kaput on me....
THX :-)
If it's still not there, use FO3Edit to check for conflicts with the cell mentioned above, and see whether a mod is overwriting the bike's placement. If so, move "MotorcycleRemake.esp" (and the HelplessFalling patch esp, appropriately) below the overwriting mod.
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