If Ghouls didn't need to eat, Harland would not have mentioned not being too "delicate" to eat radroaches.If he didn't have to eat, he would not have bothered to do so (for pleasure or whatever reason non-eating Ghouls would eat) in that situation.
Every single Fallout ''fan'' who complains about this have apparently not played Fallout 2, where you encounter a ghoul who survives with no food or water :)))))))))))))))))))
1. Fallout 2 contains many, many in-jokes and pop culture references that aren't always considered canon. Willie could merely be such a gag character. 2. Willie was in the coffin for a few months, not hundreds of years. Even if he is considered canon, I'd say a ghoul lasing a couple months without food and maybe even water is more believable than the stretch that one could go 210 years locked in a fridge without any sustenance. 3. You apparently forgot the part of Fallout 2 where you unfreeze a dude who's been in a cryo pod since before the bombs fell and he immediately collapses into a pile of goop, so Fallout 4 isn't canon anyway. Everyone in Vault 111 should have disintegrated into human pudding as soon as they were taken off the ice.
I still will never know why this quest in particular caused such a stir in the Fallout Community. Everyones upset that he survived for so long without any resources and they call it unrealistic. Yet Fallout 4 contains unrealistic mutated animals, drugs that do things that aren't humanly possible, cryogenic freezing, androids that are indistinguishable from humans, molecular transportation, and even aliens and what bothers people is the Kid in a Fridge quest? Yall are overreacting. (Gosh I sound like my mom.)
Yes and no. Technology is explainable, creatures as well. But 200 years in fridge?! And still being alive?! C'mon, this is completely illogical and dramatically unrealistic. No excuses in this case.
There's a ghould who survives without any need for water or food in Fallout 2 :) So you either call the series' classic '' completely illogical and dramatically unrealistic" or you admit there's nothing illogical about it. One of the two. Oh and since people b&@*$ about the ''lore'' - that same ghoul in FO2 makes the entire water quest in the Necropolis from FO1 make no sense :)
I hate this type of comment, it's posted under almost everything and it always misses the point. The issue is not that it's unrealistic, the issue is that it breaks the rules of the established canon. Ghouls need water to survive and Ghouls don't get stuck the same age for the rest of their lives - they do, in fact, grow up. This quest waves those rules aside for a story that's average at best (and I'm being generous), that's why it caused a stir.
I will never understand why people get a chapped ass over a completely skippable quest. Don't like Billy? Walk slightly farther to the right on your way to Quincy. I had to backtrack because I missed him and actually think he's a cute character.
How many times does it need to be said? The issue isn't "realism", it's internal consistency. It's not too much to ask for a setting to stick to it's own established rules. Excuses made by the likes of Pete Hines that they don't need to be consistent because fiction isn't real is just insulting.
Maybe some of us prefer to enjoy something that doesnt insult our Intelligence. " its just a game" is what a simpleton types when they have no ARGUEMENT or interest in whats being said.
In FALLOUT ONE, in Necropolis, if you steal the water chip from their city. THEY DIE. You people that defend Bethesda's arrogance and stupidity are mindblowing to say the least. and that isnt a compliment.
In Fallout 2 there is also a ghoul that survived withoud food or water for a long time. He is called Coffin Willie and he didn't even have oxygen. Billy had that because that fridge wasn't properly sealed anymore, he also got water when it rains so, his survival is even more believable.
"In Fallout 2 there is also a ghoul that survived withoud food or water for a long time. He is called Coffin Willie and he didn't even have oxygen. Not actually true.When was the last time you actually played the quest?
What I am in continual awe about is people coming to a MOD SITE and complaining about lore. If you are sooo concerned about lore then play your broken vanilla game and quit trying to add mods. Mod = modification, IE you are changing it from Bethesda's vision.
Personally I like that he's dead. He obviously wasn't the next Einstein for managing to lock himself into a fridge for 200+ years in the first place. People have broken out of high security prisons that are a lot more secure than a refrigerator in a LOT less time.
The original fallout lore wasnt even written by bethesda lol XD So no, fallout lore isnt strictly enforced by bethesda, in fact a lot of mods on the nexus improve upon or add on lore that existed in the written stories of fallout, not just whats in the game. IE you are wrong here bud. Bethesda could just as easily throw in lore breaking additions to the vanilla game/dlc that dont fit in with what is already written on paper, so why do you insist everyone but you is wrong to complain?
Billy getting stuck in that style of fridge is referencing a very real concern with older refrigerators. Enough so that there was a f*#@ing "special" Punky Brewster episode where Punky's best friend almost died because she hid in an old friend during a game. I think there's a safety feature in the current ones that make it near impossible to get stuck *now*.
Actually, is probably that Ghouls can sleep and enter in a type of coma. Ghouls are interesting resistent to lack of food or water, this make their life expectative much longer than a Super-Mutant One.
Personally, I always thought that he and his family are waaaaaay more recent. Like... THIS theory is kind of what I base my own ideas off of, since it makes everything make soooo much more sense in the lore and with the story in general.
"I'm not very lore heavy on fallout as i started with fallout 3, so I don't know everything little detail."
Fallout Classic vet here... Ghoul lore is a bit inconsistent but what's absolutely clear is while they may or may not need to eat, they do in fact age and grow. Just slower. Most ghouls should have died out long before Fallout 3 happened, frankly. So that kid should have been an adult. Old even.
Let's ignore that. In Fallout games of the past it's made abundantly clear that Ghouls DO need to drink. Eating? Maybe not. Drinking? Absolutely. this is because Necropolis (a ghoul city in the games of old) will f*#@ing *die* if you do something which means they don't get to have water anymore. SO Ghouls do drink and they do need water to survive even if they need nothing else...
Except in New Vegas we have a ghoul who informs the player that they s#*! in a corner of the place you find them in so... Yeah no. This makes no sense by any lore at all.
Oh and while I am at it... How do Ferals still exist? They're not that dangerous and there can only be so many of them because they don't reproduce. How have caravaners not cleared them out of the places a mere 200 yards from major towns after 200 god damn years?! Ghouls need to be retired from Fallout all together frankly.
It's not even consistent with Fallout 4s lore. Remember the Brotherhood soldier who was feeding the feral ghouls in the airport tunnels? Those ferals stopped attacking after he fed them, which heavily implies the only reason they attack people is because they're starving to death. There's also the ghoul settlement that is growing Tarberries as a food source.
To be fair as with most Open World games but especially Bethesda games, it's sort of a matter of "the real world is actually 100x bigger than what you see in the game" so it's easy to imagine that:
1. The ferals 200 yards from major towns would actually be like small pockets of ghouls within a mile of the town. 2. Ferals are so numerous in some areas that most people just avoid the places they are known to be in altogether. So even after centuries there would be places no one dares go unless you are the Sole Survivor. 3. Lastly, ghouls are canonically still being created from wastelanders exposed to too much radiation (like the ghoul soldiers in Camp Searchlight in FNV), and presumably some of those ghouls then become feral. So they do reproduce, albeit, slowly.
Wasn't there something in the lore that established Ghouls ghoul-ify because of genes they possess that make it possible? Hell Hanock said he ghoulified as a side affect of some chem he found. (It's entirely possible that the reason the Institute took Shaun was because his family lacked said gene (how would they know? it's sci-fi, not everything needs to be explained in minute detail. Especially if you consider you can't access the ghoul perks until way late in the game and if you dumped so many points into Endurance.)
Ghouls can't live without water, Necropolis in Fallout 1 was all about that. Here's the thing, Bethesda doesn't care about Fallout 1, or the Fallout IP in general
And right after fallout 1 we got Fallout 2 with willy. And yangza camp ghoul in OWB that survive for 200 year without food. I say that fallout fan don't know fallout lore.
that'd make more sense lore wise, i don't get why people insist he was there for 200 years just perfectly fine. Yeah its a lighthearted sidequest that's supposed to be funny but it also doesn't make any sense or fit with the lore. Bethesda could have made the quest less annoying by not saying he was there for 200 years.
It's evidenced by his dialogue and the family reunion scene and dialogues in that scene and after. You've never been playing that quest, were you? You would know, that they speak clearly about the bombs, that started (and ended) the Great War 210 years ago and that the last time Billy and his parents saw each other, they weren't ghouls. Which means they were ghoulified by the bombs and the fallout, that lasts for roughly 200 and some years. So no, Billy didn't fall into the fridge "recently", he (and his parents) didn't make it into a shelter in time, when the bombs fell. Billy ended up in a fridge, his parents were ghoulified in the place they lived in, their old house, that you can find them in and bring Billy back home to them.
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2. Willie was in the coffin for a few months, not hundreds of years. Even if he is considered canon, I'd say a ghoul lasing a couple months without food and maybe even water is more believable than the stretch that one could go 210 years locked in a fridge without any sustenance.
3. You apparently forgot the part of Fallout 2 where you unfreeze a dude who's been in a cryo pod since before the bombs fell and he immediately collapses into a pile of goop, so Fallout 4 isn't canon anyway. Everyone in Vault 111 should have disintegrated into human pudding as soon as they were taken off the ice.
But hey, everyone can have an opinion.
Oh and since people b&@*$ about the ''lore'' - that same ghoul in FO2 makes the entire water quest in the Necropolis from FO1 make no sense :)
Lighten up, it's a game lmao
THEY DIE. You people that defend Bethesda's arrogance and stupidity are mindblowing to say the least. and that isnt a compliment.
oxygen.
Not actually true.When was the last time you actually played the quest?
Personally I like that he's dead. He obviously wasn't the next Einstein for managing to lock himself into a fridge for 200+ years in the first place. People have broken out of high security prisons that are a lot more secure than a refrigerator in a LOT less time.
Fallout Classic vet here... Ghoul lore is a bit inconsistent but what's absolutely clear is while they may or may not need to eat, they do in fact age and grow. Just slower. Most ghouls should have died out long before Fallout 3 happened, frankly. So that kid should have been an adult. Old even.
Let's ignore that. In Fallout games of the past it's made abundantly clear that Ghouls DO need to drink. Eating? Maybe not. Drinking? Absolutely. this is because Necropolis (a ghoul city in the games of old) will f*#@ing *die* if you do something which means they don't get to have water anymore. SO Ghouls do drink and they do need water to survive even if they need nothing else...
Except in New Vegas we have a ghoul who informs the player that they s#*! in a corner of the place you find them in so... Yeah no. This makes no sense by any lore at all.
Oh and while I am at it... How do Ferals still exist? They're not that dangerous and there can only be so many of them because they don't reproduce. How have caravaners not cleared them out of the places a mere 200 yards from major towns after 200 god damn years?! Ghouls need to be retired from Fallout all together frankly.
1. The ferals 200 yards from major towns would actually be like small pockets of ghouls within a mile of the town.
2. Ferals are so numerous in some areas that most people just avoid the places they are known to be in altogether. So even after centuries there would be places no one dares go unless you are the Sole Survivor.
3. Lastly, ghouls are canonically still being created from wastelanders exposed to too much radiation (like the ghoul soldiers in Camp Searchlight in FNV), and presumably some of those ghouls then become feral. So they do reproduce, albeit, slowly.