That is strange as my mods seem to have stayed the same even after the update and I have no idea how to fix something like this, sorry I hope that you find an answer.
ps Sorry for the late response I have been very busy with school
Technically the T-51b power armor was slightly worse than the X-01, and thats assuming you werent comparing it to the hardened power armor from the original (which would have been better vs a non modded X.) The only armors that truly surpassed it were the later models, like the MK2, Hellfire or Tesla, which were developed armors, where as the T-51 was never developed.
Though one would guess that the T-60 would probably still be better, but itd probably be closer to the X than it already is.
In either case the T-51b, both winterized and hardened, are really amazing armors.
Request for a mod: Make JUST the "f" upgrades to ALL power armor (Not counting raider) the same as X-01 MK. VI, so if people want a cosmetic change without sacrificing the power of the X-01, they can have it, just need to upgrade it to max too see the change.
T51 power armor the pinnacle of pre-war power armor technology. Outclassed by a t45 version called t60. -_- The T60 should've been implemented as a Brotherhood upgrade of the t45 not as a pre-war armor, its just not lore friendly and it makes no sense considering the t51 was the "pinnacle" as the loadscreens say.
If it was a brotherhood upgrade of the T45 then it would make sense that it surpasses the T51 "the pinnacle" of pre-war power armor technology because its made after the war, would've made total sense and I would even rejoice, but at the moment its just a lore breaker.
Thank you for making this mod, you've made a hardliner happy.
Yes the loading screen does say that the T-51 was the pinnacle pre-war power armor and that's true. I know some people don't realize this but the war didn't start with the bombs dropping. There was the Annexing of Canada and the Anchorage Reclamation before that. It was during that time witch the T-60 was developed and produced. Witch means that the T-60 would be the Pinnacle just before the bombs dropped.
That Said i can understand why many people like the looks of the T-51 better and want it to be better stats wise. But its not lore breaking that it isn't.
DaggothDarksol - While previous introduction of the T-45d already existing in the lore, was great idea, now it's just Bethesda lore retcon. They just wanted to created new armor, so they have it, "screw the lore" they said. The idea of isakorn7 was spoken many times, even in most hardcore fan forums. Worst thing, that T-51b needs the Fussion Core.
There is no more iconic armor in Fallout universe than the our old T-51b, while design in Fallout 3/NV was rather... Now it looks great.
The T-51 was first used during the reclaimation of Anchorage but it wasn't the end of the against China; besides, if it fixed the design flaws of the T-45 it probably was too expensive or too difficult to repair, just like the panzer tanks in WWII Germany. The T-60 being a bulkier suit of powered Armour with many design cues to the T-45 screams war fabrication to me, they made an up-armored, less sophisticated suit for the heavy fighting of the late war. In that sense the T-51 still is the more advanced, the T-60 is just tougher.
It would probably be nice for a mod to properly differentiate the different models of power armor because for now the only difference is the protection stats. There should be a reason to choose to use a T-51, or even a T-45 over a T-60. I'm thinking in terms of different add ons, more options for the T-51 or maybe the same options performing better, have the T-51 use two chest add ons, or make it run faster, or make it so the jetpack drains less AP...
Can you make a version that puts T-45 on par with X-01? Aesthetically it's my favorite Power Armor, but once you start reaching late game it's parts just can't stand up to the damage that the top-tier enemies start dealing.
Personally I'm okay with T-45 since obsidian was able to write it into the lore pretty well, but T-60 needs to go.
When the geck/ck comes out I would suggest giving the pre-war soldiers in the intro T-51, give the brotherhood t-45 and t-51 and eliminate t-60 from the game entirely.
Then name the mod "Power Armor variants Lore Friendly" as a middle finger to Bethesda.
Just another case of Bethesda showing that they don't give a f*#@ about the lore. I mean maybe if they had actually put some effort into coming up with a backstory for the t-60, I wouldn't be bothered by it so much. Something like, "The T-60 is a retrofit of T-45 power armor using lessons learned from the t-51 and bulked up with additional steel armor, due to the ceramic-coated plating of the t-51 being too expensive and time-consuming to produce on a mass scale." It's really not that hard.
Bethesda was like: "It's a new game, so let's add a new power armor. Fallout=power armor." "We just made a sweet new, gorilla-looking power armor, let's make it better than the best pre-war power armor, because ours is better because we made it, and it's new." "Oh, but I just put in this loading screen about the t-51 being the pinnacle of pre-war power armor technology because that's what all the other games have said and it sounds neato, pinnacle.." "f*#@ it, we'll just make it better anyway, nobody will notice.."
But atleast there is already a mod to replace brotherhood t-60 with t-45's or t-51's. http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/2769/?
The T-60 doesn't look bad per se, in fact it's really nice looking. But the lack of a reason other than it was a 'Model rushed out before the bombs fell' description was just lazy. It should've been a prototype and that's it really, not mass produce as it is in this game. Maybe only few survive, it'd make sense for West-Tek to use MIT to test prototype Power armor models. But the way it is in this game, it's crazy.
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I join the consensus that the T-60 should be blown into oblivion. The Winterized T-51b told alot of great stories in Fallout 3 for me personally.
The reason why i am commenting today is regardining the new patch update for the game, and whether or not this buff still works correctly?
For some reason my T-51 is still reporting the same stats as usual and not ones that either Buff it to X-01 status, or above T-60.
Has the update nulled the ability to buff this set anymore? or is my NMM just doing something wrong?
Cheers
ps Sorry for the late response I have been very busy with school
Nevertheless do you have an idea of how you did it?
Might try finkering around if i can....
Though one would guess that the T-60 would probably still be better, but itd probably be closer to the X than it already is.
In either case the T-51b, both winterized and hardened, are really amazing armors.
The T60 should've been implemented as a Brotherhood upgrade of the t45 not as a pre-war armor, its just not lore friendly and it makes no sense considering the t51 was the "pinnacle" as the loadscreens say.
If it was a brotherhood upgrade of the T45 then it would make sense that it surpasses the T51 "the pinnacle" of pre-war power armor technology because its made after the war, would've made total sense and I would even rejoice, but at the moment its just a lore breaker.
Thank you for making this mod, you've made a hardliner happy.
That Said i can understand why many people like the looks of the T-51 better and want it to be better stats wise. But its not lore breaking that it isn't.
There is no more iconic armor in Fallout universe than the our old T-51b, while design in Fallout 3/NV was rather... Now it looks great.
It would probably be nice for a mod to properly differentiate the different models of power armor because for now the only difference is the protection stats. There should be a reason to choose to use a T-51, or even a T-45 over a T-60. I'm thinking in terms of different add ons, more options for the T-51 or maybe the same options performing better, have the T-51 use two chest add ons, or make it run faster, or make it so the jetpack drains less AP...
ty for mod infinity
When the geck/ck comes out I would suggest giving the pre-war soldiers in the intro T-51, give the brotherhood t-45 and t-51 and eliminate t-60 from the game entirely.
Then name the mod "Power Armor variants Lore Friendly" as a middle finger to Bethesda.
It's really not that hard.
Bethesda was like:
"It's a new game, so let's add a new power armor. Fallout=power armor."
"We just made a sweet new, gorilla-looking power armor, let's make it better than the best pre-war power armor, because ours is better because we made it, and it's new."
"Oh, but I just put in this loading screen about the t-51 being the pinnacle of pre-war power armor technology because that's what all the other games have said and it sounds neato, pinnacle.."
"f*#@ it, we'll just make it better anyway, nobody will notice.."
But atleast there is already a mod to replace brotherhood t-60 with t-45's or t-51's. http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/2769/?