I am convinced every time that the old face, suited Peter much better than the new one, which is a cheap parody of Tom Holland. Whose idea was it to replace him?
People seem to forget that Peter is young he was 23 in the first game and is 25 in the new one... Ben was the prefect recast for the character... Bubniak version looked way too old, ain't no way dude was 23 in the first game with that model... He looked like he was pushing 30 and I don't wanna hear people say well it makes sense since he has been doing it for so long, that's a such a bad excuse.
They did the change for a reason, I mean just look at how the mod looks, that should be reason enough as to why the change was necessary lol, and before anyone says I'm dogging on the mod creator I'm not, use your brain and you will understand what I'm talking about. Also I really don't understand why people say Ben and Tom look alike because they don't at all... But I guess its because they are both British lmao ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)...
People don't seem to forget anything. Don't bring life into this, please.
Maybe because I'm not talking about Ben Jordan. Maybe I'm talking about Peter from the game. You didn't think of that? Peter in the game and Ben in life, are completely two different people who bear little resemblance to each other, just at least for yourself compare. Other studios port every last hair in the game. And insomniac ported Jordan's face so lame? It's lame. I wouldn't say a word if they did it well. Morales makes Parker look like a schoolboy. It's like Miles is the mentor, not Peter. No need to compare real life and video games, where people sometimes look out of their age. A lot of people liked this kind of Peter, played by Bubniak, and in fact, none of the people playing complained about lip syncing and other Sony excuses.
Think about it, if people are still making mods with Bubniak's face and doing fan works and edits and stuff - that means people care, and that means Bubniak actually looked better in that role. The problem here is that they couldn't transfer Jordan's face into the game and I even think they did it intentionally, Holland's popularity as a spider aside, which not everyone likes.
And now a word about the mod itself. The mod is a mod, it is not an indicator that insomniac were right to change the face. The mod needs serious revision, it takes time to make everything look much better. First and foremost, this is fan work, not official work from Insomniac.
The comments say otherwise lol, It’s a constant battle between which face is better, people are free to like which one they want, however why s#*! talk the new model because they cant have their way that's wild. I have nothing against Bibniak's Peter but there were visible issues with him.
Obviously Ben and Peter are different but it doesn’t change the fact that the likeness is of Ben Jordan, I have access to his game file, he is a 1 to 1 scan of Ben, even down to the blue eyes which were in the files but weren’t used in the end. People are gonna believe what they want at the end of the day but the change was definitely for the better, things look way more accurate now, you cant honestly tell me that you think the facial animation was better with the old model… The new one looks more accurate since Ben's features are more accurate for Yuri’s face capture.
Rehashing the same thing over and over again is like beating a dead horse all I will say on the matter is people will complain about the new face no matter what because they are afraid of change lol… If Ben was first and Bubniak was second it would be the same thing so, I wouldn’t say he looked better for the role… If done right maybe but again, the change was made for a reason.
Imo I do not think this mod will ever get the revisions people so seek as it looked exactly like this for the first game, plus the only reason this mod is out so soon is because its obviously made for the leaked build of the game. It had months to improve no? Anyways I am well aware a mod is a mod and insomniac is insomniac :) .
In the end I don’t expect people who aren’t well versed in 3d to understand how motion capture works.
So glad that someone else is pointing facts. I also don't care much for Bubniak's face model, I played both the ps4 version and the remastered and now I played the 2nd game and I see the huge improvements, graphic wise and model wise. The reason the old model doesn't look as good as the one that has Ben Jordan's likeness is because they remastered everything and rescaned everything and like sony stated (excuse or not) this was done to better match the motion cap of yuri lowenthal (the voice of peter parker in both games). If Bubniak had received a new motion cap, it's possible that it would have looked really good if done right, but his first scan wasn't that great done, and personally I believe that was the reason they chose to change him and release a remaster for ps5 mostly cause at the time it was a great oportunity to have a spiderman tittle remastered for a new console that came out, it'd boost the sales, which it did.
At the end of the day I also agree that people are cope-ing because they got attached to the old model and they feel the need to absolutely s#*! on the new face model even though there's absolutely nothing wrong with him. The current model looking young it's more of an excuse than you could claim sony's reason for changing the face model was.
Forgive me for being rude, but you really are blind if you can't see that Peter came out much younger in the game than he might have actually looked. It's the insomniacs who didn't bother to port Jordan's face exactly. I know what Jordan looks like in real life and I can state with accuracy that it's not Ben in the game.
If you're saying that there's a full scan of Jordan's face in the files, down to the last detail, then why aren't people trying to get him back, hmm? Or why did Insomniac decide to keep them and not use them again? That's absurd, intentional rejuvenation on its face.
I wouldn't say a word if the face in game and in life, were one in the same, but no. I feel bad for Bubniak that he was treated this way, I liked him much better. You could see in his face that he was truly a veteran of his craft. Not only in the fact that he looks older, but also in his emotions and other aspects that are appreciated in the theater. The thing I really liked about this face is that it had the appearance of someone who looks five years older than they are. A person who never really has any down time and definitely seen some "stuff" but chooses to stick with it so it takes their toll on their appearance. A more drawn, weathered expression that shows world weariness, even though he won't give up the lifestyle.
How exactly is looking young a bad thing ? I am so confused. He is young in game, how old is he 23 ? not a grandpa ffs. Also it's obvious they edited the face (even further in 2nd game) to better match the proportions of yuri the va, it's been said a few times before why they edited jordan's face, the same reason why bubniak was recast.
Also I am not a modder but I imagine they were reffering to the texture files. And if there is a mesh of jordan's head I believe no mod is gonna be able to do anything with it, pretty much like they can't do anything with bubniak's face, the perfect example is in this mod where they tried to make bubniak's face but it's not matching at all (or not that good to look at) because come on, unless it was done by sony, your not gonna rig everything to match every expression rendered in game, cinematics excluded. You're simply limited by tools to what you can do as a mod. And even tools can only do so much, you'll need 3D skills and programing skills but unless it was done by the company is pointless to go through the trouble because you know what ?
At the end of the day there's nothing wrong with the current face model. People who don't like the new face model didn't move on but the truth is they are never gonna change it anymore and why should they, I mean the 2nd game
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points to Miles and Silk taking over
so maybe you won't even have to bother with complaining about Peter Parker anymore, and if they do still put Peter in the 3rd game I am sure he'll finally be aged a little, if for better or worse, I suppose it won't matter to you or people with the same issue like you if it's the same face model anyway. A majority don't even bother arguing about this because they don't even know or don't have a issue with it, and a company only ever bends the knee if there's a majority complaining which obviously there's not. So long as people like me exists, who find the new face model an improvement or have no issue with it or don't care about it and I can confidently tell you there are some even if they don't come here to debate it, nothing will change really
I'm not saying it's bad, but because of the entourage and surroundings, Peter with a young face is very much out of the background. I can't believe the liveliness of what's going on. MJ, Harry, Miles and others, look appropriate. I can't believe that this Peter once graduated from university and has been doing superhero stuff for over eight years.
Even that phrase, “I'm the hero here, not you,” sounds like it's coming out of a teenager's mouth. And literally about this phrase, in fact, Peter is right that the hero here only he, respectively, we can conclude that he has done very enough for his city. And you think, after these exhausted nights of fighting crime, there will be no consequences in the form of wrinkles, fatigue, insomnia, bags under the eyes and other negative factors? Alas, that's the problem with Insomniac, who didn't bother to note this in a new face. I don't believe what's going on, I just don't. Bubniak believed, him, specifically Peter with a new face - no. I have no complaints about Jordan himself, he's much better in person, so I can't associate Jordan's face and Peter's game face as synonyms, more like antonyms.
You have to remember that sony got spiderman and not marvel anymore. And in the MCU like you mentioned before Tom holland is a young spiderman. If Sony didn't own spiderman it's possible you'd have gotten your wish and we probably would have gotten someone lookin even older than bubniak. I mean have you seen peter in Rivals or peter in Spider-verse or in the comics ? I am good with a younger peter because there's places where I've seen him older, but also because god damn jordan's face is hot.
I really hope that in the third installment, if there is one, Otto replaces Peter like he did in the comics. When Octavius took over Peter's body. And the Superior Spider will be born.
And actually, it's certainly a shame that the Insomniac universe is heading towards this. There was hope before, but with Miles appearing as Spidey in the game, they rushed it a lot. Basically, Miles completely devalues Parker. Miles isn't even referred to as anything other than “another Spider-Man” and Parker is relegated to the background.
Anyway, anyway, it was nice for me to talk to someone about it and discuss it, because everyone has a different point of view. As they say, to each his own. Some like the new, some like the old, like me. Happiness for all, for free, and let no one go away offended.
You have to remember that Ben Jordan was around 25 years old or younger when they initially scanned him as the new model for Peter. He was around the age of Peter in the game :) … The Miles Morales game came out in 2020 Ben is 30 years old now. Like I said the static game model has his likeness, motion capture changes things depending on who is doing the performance.
Insomniac isn’t like Supermassive Games where they hire the face model to do everything including the voice acting and motion capture/ face capture. That is why those games have a 1 to 1 of the actors in animation and all. Insomniac usually has a separate face model and voice actor to do the motion capture. If Peter doesn’t 100% look like Ben in game its because Yuri is doing all of the facial animations. That’s why I said the static model (without animation or expression) has the likeness. Like I said above, someone who knows nothing about 3D stuff won’t understand.
Bubniak’s time came and went, I don't think anyone treated him badly, you can feel sad that he was replaced but it wasn’t out of malice. The old Peter really didn't look like Bubniak, as he looks better in real life compared to how he looks in the game. They completely missed the mark on his model, though I blame the fact that he didn’t have the right face shape to begin with… Everyone is entitled to their own opinions on who they like more, I'm just saying people really gotta stop being so negative towards the change.
Well look, not everyone is open minded, I am just here to defend ben's face model because he's getting a lot of s#*! because sony decided to change bubniak and I can't really stand it. I've told people before that I have no issue with Bubniak's face model but when he's being used the wrong way, there will be people like me who will disagree. At the end of the day both bubniak and jordan are handsome, if you would rather use a mod to change your spiderman go for it. People use mods to completely change spider-man into something else. It's all a matter of if it bothers you that in scenes will be whatever
So I'm not being negative, rather the opposite, I'm pointing out facts. And I'm not talking to you in a rude way. I'm not one of those rabid fans who'll sling mud at anything and everything. If I didn't like Ben Jordan, I'd say the same bad things about him. But no, I'm rather unhappy with Insomniac's work in terms of facial elaboration. And Jordan himself, in person, looks marvelous. About Lowenthal, I know. Yuri even wrote something like, “sorry guys, it's all because of my face, blame my face”. But if they picked a good face for facial animation, why does it spoil the perception of the picture, that Jordan should be in the frame of the game, but we see some teenager?
I am in no way trashing the actor Ben Jordan, as you may have noticed, rather the opposite, I am saying he is wonderful. I'm just writing about the problems of Insomniac, who very craply transferred Jordan into the game.
I was also pointing out things don't worry I didn't take anything you said as offensive, I was just saying overall the community is not very friendly towards him because they liked Bubniak more.
Peter looks older in the second game anyways so people should stop complaining already so much time has passed and they are still coping hard.
Bubniak was og from the start. Ofcourse people will get used to his face more than in remaster. Me included. He gives the energy on an adult Peter Parker.
GodVishna as if the new people playing after bubniak got replaced don't exist, what is this theory of people getting used to one face and that being bubniak's ?
Agreed, the new Peter's face looks too young. The previous version also looked very young, I don't think it's old. It also perfectly fits the character setting, I love it so much. I hope this mod can continue to improve
ben jordan is better suited for the role. he looks more like yuri lowenthal, better for the mocap, and better for peter. calling him a cheap parody of tom holland makes you sound real f*#@ing stupid. that being said, the shadows and details were much better on bubniak's face, and he was captured better, giving the illusion that the animations were better. in fact, it almost feels like he looks worse in the second game because of his horrible haircut, among other things. there were mods for the first game that fixed up the ben jordan model, giving peter ben's real hairstyle, and overall appearing more accurate, and that looked better than both faces. the switch was ultimately the right choice, however, it was poorly executed.
You say nonsense. The Bubniak itself was 21 years old when the first game came out. That is, he is even younger than Parker in the game for 2 years. Full people who look at 30-35 at 22. Everyone has different appearance in different years. And the Bubniac really looks like Parker, which has been as a spiderman for 10 years.
You think he looks 30? Take into account that Parker been fighting for his life daily since he was 15. No wonder he looks aged, super powered or not that would take a big toll on the body. John's face is perfect for him, too bad the writing in this game just doesn't suit it. Perhaps it's for the best they gave him temu Holland makeover.
God, no. Why? I mean, I wouldn't even say anything against an Andrew Garfield face mod, but this... This looks like it came from a previous gen game. Looks bad.
very wip mod basically bubniak head covers original head. And parts of the original head constantly go beyond the bubniak. Very lazy work. Looks weird. Switched to enchanced peter mod
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They did the change for a reason, I mean just look at how the mod looks, that should be reason enough as to why the change was necessary lol, and before anyone says I'm dogging on the mod creator I'm not, use your brain and you will understand what I'm talking about. Also I really don't understand why people say Ben and Tom look alike because they don't at all... But I guess its because they are both British lmao ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)...
Maybe because I'm not talking about Ben Jordan. Maybe I'm talking about Peter from the game. You didn't think of that? Peter in the game and Ben in life, are completely two different people who bear little resemblance to each other, just at least for yourself compare. Other studios port every last hair in the game. And insomniac ported Jordan's face so lame? It's lame. I wouldn't say a word if they did it well.
Morales makes Parker look like a schoolboy. It's like Miles is the mentor, not Peter. No need to compare real life and video games, where people sometimes look out of their age. A lot of people liked this kind of Peter, played by Bubniak, and in fact, none of the people playing complained about lip syncing and other Sony excuses.
Think about it, if people are still making mods with Bubniak's face and doing fan works and edits and stuff - that means people care, and that means Bubniak actually looked better in that role. The problem here is that they couldn't transfer Jordan's face into the game and I even think they did it intentionally, Holland's popularity as a spider aside, which not everyone likes.
And now a word about the mod itself. The mod is a mod, it is not an indicator that insomniac were right to change the face. The mod needs serious revision, it takes time to make everything look much better.
First and foremost, this is fan work, not official work from Insomniac.
Obviously Ben and Peter are different but it doesn’t change the fact that the likeness is of Ben Jordan, I have access to his game file, he is a 1 to 1 scan of Ben, even down to the blue eyes which were in the files but weren’t used in the end. People are gonna believe what they want at the end of the day but the change was definitely for the better, things look way more accurate now, you cant honestly tell me that you think the facial animation was better with the old model… The new one looks more accurate since Ben's features are more accurate for Yuri’s face capture.
Rehashing the same thing over and over again is like beating a dead horse all I will say on the matter is people will complain about the new face no matter what because they are afraid of change lol… If Ben was first and Bubniak was second it would be the same thing so, I wouldn’t say he looked better for the role… If done right maybe but again, the change was made for a reason.
Imo I do not think this mod will ever get the revisions people so seek as it looked exactly like this for the first game, plus the only reason this mod is out so soon is because its obviously made for the leaked build of the game. It had months to improve no? Anyways I am well aware a mod is a mod and insomniac is insomniac :) .
In the end I don’t expect people who aren’t well versed in 3d to understand how motion capture works.
I also don't care much for Bubniak's face model, I played both the ps4 version and the remastered and now I played the 2nd game and I see the huge improvements, graphic wise and model wise. The reason the old model doesn't look as good as the one that has Ben Jordan's likeness is because they remastered everything and rescaned everything and like sony stated (excuse or not) this was done to better match the motion cap of yuri lowenthal (the voice of peter parker in both games).
If Bubniak had received a new motion cap, it's possible that it would have looked really good if done right, but his first scan wasn't that great done, and personally I believe that was the reason they chose to change him and release a remaster for ps5 mostly cause at the time it was a great oportunity to have a spiderman tittle remastered for a new console that came out, it'd boost the sales, which it did.
At the end of the day I also agree that people are cope-ing because they got attached to the old model and they feel the need to absolutely s#*! on the new face model even though there's absolutely nothing wrong with him. The current model looking young it's more of an excuse than you could claim sony's reason for changing the face model was.
I wouldn't say a word if the face in game and in life, were one in the same, but no. I feel bad for Bubniak that he was treated this way, I liked him much better. You could see in his face that he was truly a veteran of his craft. Not only in the fact that he looks older, but also in his emotions and other aspects that are appreciated in the theater.
The thing I really liked about this face is that it had the appearance of someone who looks five years older than they are. A person who never really has any down time and definitely seen some "stuff" but chooses to stick with it so it takes their toll on their appearance. A more drawn, weathered expression that shows world weariness, even though he won't give up the lifestyle.
Also it's obvious they edited the face (even further in 2nd game) to better match the proportions of yuri the va, it's been said a few times before why they edited jordan's face, the same reason why bubniak was recast.
Also I am not a modder but I imagine they were reffering to the texture files. And if there is a mesh of jordan's head I believe no mod is gonna be able to do anything with it, pretty much like they can't do anything with bubniak's face, the perfect example is in this mod where they tried to make bubniak's face but it's not matching at all (or not that good to look at) because come on, unless it was done by sony, your not gonna rig everything to match every expression rendered in game, cinematics excluded. You're simply limited by tools to what you can do as a mod. And even tools can only do so much, you'll need 3D skills and programing skills but unless it was done by the company is pointless to go through the trouble because you know what ?
At the end of the day there's nothing wrong with the current face model. People who don't like the new face model didn't move on but the truth is they are never gonna change it anymore and why should they, I mean the 2nd game
Even that phrase, “I'm the hero here, not you,” sounds like it's coming out of a teenager's mouth. And literally about this phrase, in fact, Peter is right that the hero here only he, respectively, we can conclude that he has done very enough for his city. And you think, after these exhausted nights of fighting crime, there will be no consequences in the form of wrinkles, fatigue, insomnia, bags under the eyes and other negative factors? Alas, that's the problem with Insomniac, who didn't bother to note this in a new face. I don't believe what's going on, I just don't. Bubniak believed, him, specifically Peter with a new face - no. I have no complaints about Jordan himself, he's much better in person, so I can't associate Jordan's face and Peter's game face as synonyms, more like antonyms.
If Sony didn't own spiderman it's possible you'd have gotten your wish and we probably would have gotten someone lookin even older than bubniak. I mean have you seen peter in Rivals or peter in Spider-verse or in the comics ? I am good with a younger peter because there's places where I've seen him older, but also because god damn jordan's face is hot.
And actually, it's certainly a shame that the Insomniac universe is heading towards this. There was hope before, but with Miles appearing as Spidey in the game, they rushed it a lot. Basically, Miles completely devalues Parker. Miles isn't even referred to as anything other than “another Spider-Man” and Parker is relegated to the background.
Anyway, anyway, it was nice for me to talk to someone about it and discuss it, because everyone has a different point of view. As they say, to each his own. Some like the new, some like the old, like me. Happiness for all, for free, and let no one go away offended.
Insomniac isn’t like Supermassive Games where they hire the face model to do everything including the voice acting and motion capture/ face capture. That is why those games have a 1 to 1 of the actors in animation and all. Insomniac usually has a separate face model and voice actor to do the motion capture. If Peter doesn’t 100% look like Ben in game its because Yuri is doing all of the facial animations. That’s why I said the static model (without animation or expression) has the likeness. Like I said above, someone who knows nothing about 3D stuff won’t understand.
Bubniak’s time came and went, I don't think anyone treated him badly, you can feel sad that he was replaced but it wasn’t out of malice. The old Peter really didn't look like Bubniak, as he looks better in real life compared to how he looks in the game. They completely missed the mark on his model, though I blame the fact that he didn’t have the right face shape to begin with… Everyone is entitled to their own opinions on who they like more, I'm just saying people really gotta stop being so negative towards the change.
At the end of the day both bubniak and jordan are handsome, if you would rather use a mod to change your spiderman go for it. People use mods to completely change spider-man into something else. It's all a matter of if it bothers you that in scenes will be whatever
About Lowenthal, I know. Yuri even wrote something like, “sorry guys, it's all because of my face, blame my face”.
But if they picked a good face for facial animation, why does it spoil the perception of the picture, that Jordan should be in the frame of the game, but we see some teenager?
Peter looks older in the second game anyways so people should stop complaining already so much time has passed and they are still coping hard.
Looks bad.
my brother in christ, it DID come from the previous gen game. its literally the guy from the original spiderman ps4
Switched to enchanced peter mod