Functional guide how to complete questlines for Morag Tong, Dark Brotherhood and Vvardenfell Brotherhood.
Proposed mods: Pickpocket (https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/47581) to steal stuff without killing NPC Cheat Menu (https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/47143) to leave temporary faction and re-join later
Main obstacle: Script disallowing you to talk to Morag Tong members if you're member of Vvardenfell Brotherhood. Another script disallowing you to join to Vvardenfell Brotherhood while being member of Morag Tong.
Roleplay perspective: Being Morag Tong member, learning about Dark Brotherhood, becoming its member and making peace beetwen MT and DB. Details are up to you.
1. Join Morag Tong and do all normal writs. Then do Contact Brotherhood (peacefully), Belt of Saungine (pickpocket Hrordis, dont kill her), do Ultimatum (without killing Carecalmo, just talk to Eno after talking to Carecalmo). 2. Join Dark Brotherhood from Serve. Do all of it quests till the one, when you need to kill Morag Tong Ald'ruhn master. Spare Durus by telling Lucius he's fine and not acting suspicious (kind of important). 3. Leave MT by cheat-menu. Also - at this point is last chance to do Mephala daedric quest. 4. Talk to Durus and then join Vvardenfell Brotherhood. Do all Vvardenfell Brotherhood quests. 5. Get back to Lucius MT quest. Pickpocket Ald-ruhn MT master for his ring, and gather 2 journal info from Vivec informants to get info about MT whereabouts (and to activate script). 6. Now there is only moment, when you're member of Vvard. DB and can talk to Eno Hlaalu. a) Re-join MT using cheat-menu. b) Acquire all sanguine items - it's doable just with pickpocket. You can kill members of your DB, but its up to you. Give all sanguine items to Eno and get Mephala blessing. d) Inform about SM death for more reputation. c) Promote to Exalted Master and thanks to reputation from sanguine items - confront Eno to become Grand-Master. d) Do it peacfully (otherwise Lucius will be angry). After getting promotion to Grandmaster and before Eno leaving - talk to him about finding him for Lucius quest and leave him without killing. After 24h he will disappear anyway. 8. You're leader of Morag Tong, leader of Vvardenfell Brotherhood and close to end questline of (serve) Dark Brotherhood. 9. Do all the normal contracts for Lucius. 10. Because one quest for Lucius (killing SM) is done and it breaks quest-line, do as follows: get in talk with Lucius, console command addtopic "serious matter", this will bring up the option to talk about dead SM. Lucien will go to mainland and you will be promoted to "Silencer", highest rank of Dark Brotherhood. 11. Everything done, optionally you can do additional quests for Lucius DB by killing you own people from Vvarden. Brotherhood.
I don't remember exactly. I think you can only spare him if you first joined Vvardenfell Brotherhood of Serve (Caeris' mod) and then Lucien Dark Brotherhood.
I am sorry I don't think so. I haven't checked actually in the files and I don't remember exactly progression 100%. I think the only way to join both brotherhood factions is first by joining Lucien's DB. Lucien on some later quest sends you to figure out if Durus Marius is a spy. Spare Durus Marius and he should help you join vvardenfel brotherhood.
For some reason cannot start new game with your patch. Probably something in my game, but any ideas? The only thing I could think of from cell id is probable Tamriel Rebuild incompatibility? Crash with this error:
Thanks for the valid report. Tamriel Rebuilt renames the original game Cell IDs. In Morrowind Cell IDs work as a string which means cell ID = in-game cell name. I used Position instead of PositionCell which should fix the crash for Tamriel Rebuilt users.
I am not sure about TR version. Perhaps TR_Data v8 didn't rename that particular Ascadian Isles Region cell that was use in conjunction of the x,y,z coordinates. When the cell coordinates and the cell name are mismatched when using PositionCell it may give you crash/CTD or make script not work. The scripted event in the P_NevenUles_Help script takes place in the exterior so coordinates alone for Position command are enough. I also made use of GetInterior command.
Thank you for your expedient reply and fix. I experienced this problem on Fullrest repack, it's in Russian, I can't seem to find which version of Tamriel Rebuilt it uses, modpack description says "uses Tamriel Rebuilt with Russian translation (v0.61)" but not sure if it's TR version or translation version.
I since then abandoned Fullrest and moved onto YAJAN modpack which I personally appreciate much more, it didn't have this crash even before the fix and it uses TR build 21.01 from Jan 2021 according to ReadMe.
Joined Tong first. Did all normal writs. Then did pacifist run with DB quests (Contact - no kill, Pelagiad - steal, Darys - forced to join). Then I had to do quest with Carecalmo, and because ultimatum makes him go mad (and I guess he's needed for Vard. DB) - i resigned from that quest all-together, loaded save before getting quest.
I was unable to join Vard. DB due to being Tong.
Joined Sithis DB - did all the quets and all the murders. [Murderer Hlaalu woman, Murdered Darys, everyone]. I stole the ring from Goren Andarys withou killing him, gave ring to the Eno Hlaalu and escaped. But now entire HQ of Tong hates me.
There is any way to finish Tong quests and became their grandmaster with joining Dark Brotherhood(s)?
However, then went with Sithis DB rest quest, as I got quest to locate SM from Carecalmo. Got it without killing him, went to the Ald Sotha, entered it - there SM spawns for 1 second, initiate blank talk, cast ofenssive spell against me and teleports away. And im stuck this way.
And I'm getting this error when entering Ald Sotha -> https://prnt.sc/232m4qh ,however, after "yes'ing" it, the stuff I wrote up what happens. I had same error when dealing with Durus Marius at Assernerairan, however, if I entered with high chameleon and stealth, I could talk with him normally (no matter bug). Durus Marius was hostile (no one other was), but after I inimitiated him I could behave normally and do everthing.
So, how I'm supposed to do Tong. with double DB?
I suppose I can do it like this (correct) me: -Do all Tong quests, kill Carcealmo (ignore him if it's possible to Tong quest), cross Durus Marius with Sith DB, get final Tong quest for SM, go with Sith DB quests, make Tong hostille to me (unlucky), get quest from Sith DB for SM...
But that still leaves me at double empty wall with SM attacking-and-leaving in Ald Sotha and Tong being mad at me. :(
I have this also: https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/46063?tab=description , last in the order of ESP
Ok, I managed to get her to talk without teleporting away and breaking the game, similar to Durus Marius -> https://prnt.sc/232ohcd However, no matter what I will say to her - she attacks me. And after killing her, I cant even access her body. But still getting promotion in Slith DB and follow-up to kill all of Vard. DB.
So, there is any way to do Tong (without them hating me) -> Slith DB -> Vard DB, or anything other, starting from Tong? My last check-point-save without wasting A LOT of hours for everything, would be before Tong quest with Carecalmo.
I can always use that save, use cheat-MSWE mod to un-faction Tonk, join Vard DB. do their quest, and after them do Slith quests? However, I would still like to do it without heavy-cheating/console commands and starting with Tong and without making Tong my enemies.
Thanks for any answer! Seems I will have break in no-lifing Morrowind until it will be resolved ;d
P.S. I read on Vard. DB mod page that you cant be both Vard. DB and Tonk, however, Cearis also wrote that this crossover allows it. So even with Tonk out of picture (but still interested if I can make all of three), what is the key to do both DB, starting from Slith One?
Tips for joinning Vvardenfell Brotherhood and Dark Brotherhood ( of Lucien Lachance ) -you first join Dark Brother of LL by talking to Tappius Esdrecus ( he won't let you join Dark Brotherhood of Lachance if you already joined Vvardenefell Brotherhood ) -Durus Marius will let you join Vvardenfell Brotherhood if you spare him ( there is a quest to kill him given by Lachance )
Dark Brotherhood is in conflict with Tong. Toward the end of the questline
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you kill Goren Andarys, the Morag Tong guildhall master in Ald'ruhn and make everyone inside Eno Hlaalu sanctuary hate you if you let them know Goren is dead
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So be first in Dark Brotherhood up until you get a quest for killing Goren and join subsequently Morag Tong. Also join Vvardenfell Brotherhood when doing Durus Marius quest given by Lachance. I hope this will work and you will be in three factions.
Also the final quest of the Lachance Dark Brotherhood is to kill Magia the leader of the Vvardenfell Brotherhood so keep doing the Vvardenfell Brotherhood quests until she turns on you and attack you if you also belong to Lachance's guild Vvardenfell Brotherhood.
For future people, what to do to became triple master - recommended with this mod: https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/47581 1. Join MT and Lucien DB - doesnt matter at which order. 2. Do MT mission till Belt of Sanguine Fleetness, unless you have pickpocket mod and can spare Hrordis, then do Ultimatum for Carecalmo pacifist way for more reputation - Eno will count Carecalmo as killed, even if you escape. (Then calm somewhat Carecalmo to not have enemy here.). 3. Leave MT by use of cheat-menu mod: https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/47143 4. Do all Lucien DB quest till the one to kill MT Ald-ruhn Guild Master. Stop there. Also, spare Durus by telling Lucien he's fine! (important) Optional. Make Mephala Daedric quest, cause after joining Vvarden. DB you cant talk to MG guildmembers due to dialogue-script. 5. Then join Vvarden. DB after talking to Durus and do all quests. 6. Get back to Lucius Morag Tong quest, by acuqiring 2 journal info from spies - you can talk with Eno without him using the force-exit-script. 7. Use the ONLY moment when you can be Vvarden. DB and talk to Eno! a. Join Morag Tong again (console or cheat-menu). b. Acquire all sanguine items (it's doable just with pickpocket, optionally you can kill your people but it's meh) and give it to Eno - mephala spell here it comes! c. Thanks to new reputation, force-promote to Exalted Master (you can inform also about SM death for more reputation). d. Grandmaster - allow (!) Eno to leave peacfully. [In theory you can fight him, calm him by spells and do next step if you want to have sanguine items or anything like that. However, with Morag Tong polished - you wont get Morag Tong grandmaster armor, so your decision). e. Finally - talk with him about finding him for Lucius DB quest.* He will go mad, but after 24h he will disappear from the quest anyway and you're Grandmaster. * You can spare Ald-ruhn Guild mastre, by just stealing his ring. 8. Now you're leader of Morag Tong (although your people wont talk to you), leader of Vvarden DB and can do Lucius DB quests! 9. Do 10 contracts for Lucien. 10. Because one quest (killing SM) is done, and it breaks the quest-line: get in talk with Lucius, console, addtopic "serious matter", this will bring up the option to talk about dead SM. Lucien will go to mainland and you will be promoted to "Silencer", somewhat completing entire quest. 11. Leader of all 3 factions, everything done, optionally you can do left-overs for Lucien DB.
Awesome. You did some deep digging figuring this out. Please write how to join Morga Tong, and two Brotherhood factions in a new post and I will make the sticky post using your message. For some reason nexus doesn't allow making sticky post that are subposts of the main one.
Hey, I tried Dark Brotherhood questline only, not Morag Tong one, so what I wrote here is onle related to "To Serve Sithis". (My load order is in order.)
I found only small bug I think, L. think that PCs head is too big for Morag Tong helmet, even though I play non-beast race. (But this is only detail.) But this one cannot wear full helmet! appears automatically, thus, I can only click and get apology from L. for assumption about PCs head size :)
Otherwise, I didn't found a way how to break it, except: What happen if I visit "Ald Sotha, Lower Level" before quest regarding S.M. (when S.M. is still hidden from game by script) and put mark there, and then recall here after quest is given ? (Ok, to tell the truth, I coc-ed to this cell and managed to break the quest, is there chance this will get broken during normal gameplay ?)
I tried to lockpick to base before I got key and membership in DB, denizens didn't liked it, it's uncompromising I would say, but not exactly bug, can it be remade to allow access only to person with the key ?
I had problem to get eight contract from L., but I suppose it's my fault I didn't poisoned A. M. and just slayed him instead. It's also not a bug, but rather design.
But this one cannot wear full helmet! appears automatically, thus, I can only click and get apology from L. for assumption about PCs head size :)
Yeah I put wrong filters in wrong topic entry. Now it's fixed.
Otherwise, I didn't found a way how to break it, except: What happen if I visit "Ald Sotha, Lower Level" before quest regarding S.M. (when S.M. is still hidden from game by script) and put mark there, and then recall here after quest is given ? (Ok, to tell the truth, I coc-ed to this cell and managed to break the quest, is there chance this will get broken during normal gameplay ?)
The meeting with Severa Magia is a scripted event if you walk into the location through a door it works correctly. MWscript has no means to detect pure abuse you put through it so it fails don't be surprised. If you poke a hole you going to tear right through it.
I tried to lockpick to base before I got key and membership in DB, denizens didn't liked it, it's uncompromising I would say, but not exactly bug, can it be remade to allow access only to person with the key ?
No.
I had problem to get eight contract from L., but I suppose it's my fault I didn't poisoned A. M. and just slayed him instead. It's also not a bug, but rather design.
Wait, so do we need the original To Serve Sithis.esp or not? I'm kinda stuck. I've reached the end of the Vvardenfell's brotherhood questline, now I'm wondering how to start the actual Dark Brotherhood quests from To Serve Sithis.
Since Tappius' interesting work topic won't show up, I've even tried the addtopic console command too. I tried updating the mod, and the topic's there now. When I click on it though, Tappius says something along the lines of ""I won't talk with the likes of you." I tried deleting that reply through the CS, but now Cryse's greeting after we kill Severa Magia is what shows up. And the dialogue keeps looping too, no matter which choice I pick.
Wait, so do we need the original To Serve Sithis.esp or not?
Read the description it says clearly what esp plugins you need to activate - load order. Yes you need the original To Serve Sithis.esp along with two other plugin files.
Tappius says something along the lines of ""I won't talk with the likes of you." I tried deleting that reply through the CS, but now Cryse's greeting after we kill Severa Magia is what shows up. And the dialogue keeps looping too, no matter which choice I pick.
You tampered with the mod without fully knowing what to do. By deleting this entry you messed up whole structure of replies in interesting work topic. For future don't do it. I usually reply within 1-3 days or sooner.
EDIT:
Turned out the dialogue ( topic interesting work ) was filtered incorrectly for Vvardenfell Brotherhood player always forcing you out form joining Lucien Lachance's brotherhood even if you killed Severa Magia. As for loop thing I think I fixed but haven't tried in game let me know if it works. Uploading v1.4 soon. The file should be up in a few minutes if not already.
Wait, so do we need the original To Serve Sithis.esp or not?
Read the description it says clearly what esp plugins you need to activate - load order. Yes you need the original To Serve Sithis.esp along with two other plugin files
Your reply whilst not incorrect, is potentially misleading. I see it as per description (with my clarifications);
The original mod To Serve Sithis is NOT required as Vvardenfell and Dark Brotherhood Crossover now includes an .esp replacer for "Clean To Serve Sithis_.esp" & and all the assets from that mod.
Yes original mod is not required. I said plugin not the mod. Yes I included the plugin with the mod. Original poster wasn't sure if To Serve Sithis.esp is needed which it is.
Read the description it says clearly what esp plugins you need to activate - load order. Yes you need the original To Serve Sithis.esp along with two other plugin files.
Yes I'm aware of that. I always do a check of every mod for "redundant junk" Every frame and every byte counts on my mid powered laptop. Thanks for putting up v1.1.
>>Every frame and every byte counts on my mid powered laptop. This has nothing to do with performance. I took care of the scripts to optimize them and you don't have any global scripts running in background forever. All local scripts are properly returned/halted when out of use.
>>However this still remains; Nothing remains all is cleaned only your OCD.
EDIT: If performance is an issue on your laptop I recommend to switch to OpenMW if you can live without MWSE mods or cut down on the mods. Typing in console showvars will show you what global scripts are running if you're using vanilla engine. Typing in showvars will only list global variables for OpenMW users. This should help you identify mods that rely extensively on global scripts. Mind that if you see few it is not a performance issue. Only if you see script(s) that never shut down they cause issues. There are few global scripts from the base game that run constantly too.
Bit surprised with your reply, I'll ignore the tone.
On a positive note thanks for sharing this; "Typing in console showvars will show you what global scripts are running if you're using vanilla engine. Typing in showvars will only list global variables for OpenMW users. This should help you identify mods that rely extensively on global scripts. Mind that if you see few it is not a performance issue. Only if you see script(s) that never shut down they cause issues. There are few global scripts from the base game that run constantly too."
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Proposed mods:
Pickpocket (https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/47581) to steal stuff without killing NPC
Cheat Menu (https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/47143) to leave temporary faction and re-join later
Main obstacle: Script disallowing you to talk to Morag Tong members if you're member of Vvardenfell Brotherhood. Another script disallowing you to join to Vvardenfell Brotherhood while being member of Morag Tong.
Roleplay perspective: Being Morag Tong member, learning about Dark Brotherhood, becoming its member and making peace beetwen MT and DB. Details are up to you.
1. Join Morag Tong and do all normal writs. Then do Contact Brotherhood (peacefully), Belt of Saungine (pickpocket Hrordis, dont kill her), do Ultimatum (without killing Carecalmo, just talk to Eno after talking to Carecalmo).
2. Join Dark Brotherhood from Serve. Do all of it quests till the one, when you need to kill Morag Tong Ald'ruhn master. Spare Durus by telling Lucius he's fine and not acting suspicious (kind of important).
3. Leave MT by cheat-menu. Also - at this point is last chance to do Mephala daedric quest.
4. Talk to Durus and then join Vvardenfell Brotherhood. Do all Vvardenfell Brotherhood quests.
5. Get back to Lucius MT quest. Pickpocket Ald-ruhn MT master for his ring, and gather 2 journal info from Vivec informants to get info about MT whereabouts (and to activate script).
6. Now there is only moment, when you're member of Vvard. DB and can talk to Eno Hlaalu.
a) Re-join MT using cheat-menu.
b) Acquire all sanguine items - it's doable just with pickpocket. You can kill members of your DB, but its up to you. Give all sanguine items to Eno and get Mephala blessing.
d) Inform about SM death for more reputation.
c) Promote to Exalted Master and thanks to reputation from sanguine items - confront Eno to become Grand-Master.
d) Do it peacfully (otherwise Lucius will be angry). After getting promotion to Grandmaster and before Eno leaving - talk to him about finding him for Lucius quest and leave him without killing. After 24h he will disappear anyway.
8. You're leader of Morag Tong, leader of Vvardenfell Brotherhood and close to end questline of (serve) Dark Brotherhood.
9. Do all the normal contracts for Lucius.
10. Because one quest for Lucius (killing SM) is done and it breaks quest-line, do as follows: get in talk with Lucius, console command addtopic "serious matter", this will bring up the option to talk about dead SM. Lucien will go to mainland and you will be promoted to "Silencer", highest rank of Dark Brotherhood.
11. Everything done, optionally you can do additional quests for Lucius DB by killing you own people from Vvarden. Brotherhood.
I think the only way to join both brotherhood factions is first by joining Lucien's DB. Lucien on some later quest sends you to figure out if Durus Marius is a spy. Spare Durus Marius and he should help you join vvardenfel brotherhood.
Crash with this error:
I experienced this problem on Fullrest repack, it's in Russian, I can't seem to find which version of Tamriel Rebuilt it uses, modpack description says "uses Tamriel Rebuilt with Russian translation (v0.61)" but not sure if it's TR version or translation version.
I since then abandoned Fullrest and moved onto YAJAN modpack which I personally appreciate much more, it didn't have this crash even before the fix and it uses TR build 21.01 from Jan 2021 according to ReadMe.
Joined Tong first. Did all normal writs. Then did pacifist run with DB quests (Contact - no kill, Pelagiad - steal, Darys - forced to join). Then I had to do quest with Carecalmo, and because ultimatum makes him go mad (and I guess he's needed for Vard. DB) - i resigned from that quest all-together, loaded save before getting quest.
I was unable to join Vard. DB due to being Tong.
Joined Sithis DB - did all the quets and all the murders. [Murderer Hlaalu woman, Murdered Darys, everyone]. I stole the ring from Goren Andarys withou killing him, gave ring to the Eno Hlaalu and escaped. But now entire HQ of Tong hates me.
There is any way to finish Tong quests and became their grandmaster with joining Dark Brotherhood(s)?
However, then went with Sithis DB rest quest, as I got quest to locate SM from Carecalmo. Got it without killing him, went to the Ald Sotha, entered it - there SM spawns for 1 second, initiate blank talk, cast ofenssive spell against me and teleports away. And im stuck this way.
And I'm getting this error when entering Ald Sotha -> https://prnt.sc/232m4qh ,however, after "yes'ing" it, the stuff I wrote up what happens. I had same error when dealing with Durus Marius at Assernerairan, however, if I entered with high chameleon and stealth, I could talk with him normally (no matter bug). Durus Marius was hostile (no one other was), but after I inimitiated him I could behave normally and do everthing.
So, how I'm supposed to do Tong. with double DB?
I suppose I can do it like this (correct) me:
-Do all Tong quests, kill Carcealmo (ignore him if it's possible to Tong quest), cross Durus Marius with Sith DB, get final Tong quest for SM, go with Sith DB quests, make Tong hostille to me (unlucky), get quest from Sith DB for SM...
But that still leaves me at double empty wall with SM attacking-and-leaving in Ald Sotha and Tong being mad at me. :(
I have this also: https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/46063?tab=description , last in the order of ESP
However, no matter what I will say to her - she attacks me. And after killing her, I cant even access her body. But still getting promotion in Slith DB and follow-up to kill all of Vard. DB.
So, there is any way to do Tong (without them hating me) -> Slith DB -> Vard DB, or anything other, starting from Tong? My last check-point-save without wasting A LOT of hours for everything, would be before Tong quest with Carecalmo.
I can always use that save, use cheat-MSWE mod to un-faction Tonk, join Vard DB. do their quest, and after them do Slith quests? However, I would still like to do it without heavy-cheating/console commands and starting with Tong and without making Tong my enemies.
Thanks for any answer! Seems I will have break in no-lifing Morrowind until it will be resolved ;d
P.S. I read on Vard. DB mod page that you cant be both Vard. DB and Tonk, however, Cearis also wrote that this crossover allows it. So even with Tonk out of picture (but still interested if I can make all of three), what is the key to do both DB, starting from Slith One?
-you first join Dark Brother of LL by talking to Tappius Esdrecus ( he won't let you join Dark Brotherhood of Lachance if you already joined Vvardenefell Brotherhood )
-Durus Marius will let you join Vvardenfell Brotherhood if you spare him ( there is a quest to kill him given by Lachance )
Dark Brotherhood is in conflict with Tong. Toward the end of the questline
So be first in Dark Brotherhood up until you get a quest for killing Goren and join subsequently Morag Tong. Also join Vvardenfell Brotherhood when doing Durus Marius quest given by Lachance. I hope this will work and you will be in three factions.
Lachance's guildVvardenfell Brotherhood.1. Join MT and Lucien DB - doesnt matter at which order.
2. Do MT mission till Belt of Sanguine Fleetness, unless you have pickpocket mod and can spare Hrordis, then do Ultimatum for Carecalmo pacifist way for more reputation - Eno will count Carecalmo as killed, even if you escape. (Then calm somewhat Carecalmo to not have enemy here.).
3. Leave MT by use of cheat-menu mod: https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/47143
4. Do all Lucien DB quest till the one to kill MT Ald-ruhn Guild Master. Stop there. Also, spare Durus by telling Lucien he's fine! (important)
Optional. Make Mephala Daedric quest, cause after joining Vvarden. DB you cant talk to MG guildmembers due to dialogue-script.
5. Then join Vvarden. DB after talking to Durus and do all quests.
6. Get back to Lucius Morag Tong quest, by acuqiring 2 journal info from spies - you can talk with Eno without him using the force-exit-script.
7. Use the ONLY moment when you can be Vvarden. DB and talk to Eno!
a. Join Morag Tong again (console or cheat-menu).
b. Acquire all sanguine items (it's doable just with pickpocket, optionally you can kill your people but it's meh) and give it to Eno - mephala spell here it comes!
c. Thanks to new reputation, force-promote to Exalted Master (you can inform also about SM death for more reputation).
d. Grandmaster - allow (!) Eno to leave peacfully. [In theory you can fight him, calm him by spells and do next step if you want to have sanguine items or anything like that. However, with Morag Tong polished - you wont get Morag Tong grandmaster armor, so your decision).
e. Finally - talk with him about finding him for Lucius DB quest.* He will go mad, but after 24h he will disappear from the quest anyway and you're Grandmaster.
* You can spare Ald-ruhn Guild mastre, by just stealing his ring.
8. Now you're leader of Morag Tong (although your people wont talk to you), leader of Vvarden DB and can do Lucius DB quests!
9. Do 10 contracts for Lucien.
10. Because one quest (killing SM) is done, and it breaks the quest-line: get in talk with Lucius, console, addtopic "serious matter", this will bring up the option to talk about dead SM. Lucien will go to mainland and you will be promoted to "Silencer", somewhat completing entire quest.
11. Leader of all 3 factions, everything done, optionally you can do left-overs for Lucien DB.
No one said it will be easy.
Please write how to join Morga Tong, and two Brotherhood factions in a new post and I will make the sticky post using your message.
For some reason nexus doesn't allow making sticky post that are subposts of the main one.
(My load order is in order.)
I found only small bug I think, L. think that PCs head is too big for Morag Tong helmet, even though I play non-beast race. (But this is only detail.)
But this one cannot wear full helmet! appears automatically, thus, I can only click and get apology from L. for assumption about PCs head size :)
Otherwise, I didn't found a way how to break it, except:
What happen if I visit "Ald Sotha, Lower Level" before quest regarding S.M. (when S.M. is still hidden from game by script) and put mark there, and then recall here after quest is given ? (Ok, to tell the truth, I coc-ed to this cell and managed to break the quest, is there chance this will get broken during normal gameplay ?)
I tried to lockpick to base before I got key and membership in DB, denizens didn't liked it, it's uncompromising I would say, but not exactly bug, can it be remade to allow access only to person with the key ?
I had problem to get eight contract from L., but I suppose it's my fault I didn't poisoned A. M. and just slayed him instead. It's also not a bug, but rather design.
And of course, thanks for your work.
Yeah I put wrong filters in wrong topic entry. Now it's fixed.
The meeting with Severa Magia is a scripted event if you walk into the location through a door it works correctly. MWscript has no means to detect pure abuse you put through it so it fails don't be surprised. If you poke a hole you going to tear right through it.
No.
Since Tappius' interesting work topic won't show up, I've even tried the addtopic console command too. I tried updating the mod, and the topic's there now. When I click on it though, Tappius says something along the lines of ""I won't talk with the likes of you." I tried deleting that reply through the CS, but now Cryse's greeting after we kill Severa Magia is what shows up. And the dialogue keeps looping too, no matter which choice I pick.
Read the description it says clearly what esp plugins you need to activate - load order. Yes you need the original To Serve Sithis.esp along with two other plugin files.
You tampered with the mod without fully knowing what to do. By deleting this entry you messed up whole structure of replies in interesting work topic. For future don't do it. I usually reply within 1-3 days or sooner.
EDIT:
Turned out the dialogue ( topic interesting work ) was filtered incorrectly for Vvardenfell Brotherhood player always forcing you out form joining Lucien Lachance's brotherhood even if you killed Severa Magia. As for loop thing I think I fixed but haven't tried in game let me know if it works. Uploading v1.4 soon. The file should be up in a few minutes if not already.
Your reply whilst not incorrect, is potentially misleading. I see it as per description (with my clarifications);
1. Install Vvardenfell Brotherhood (You need "Vvardenfell Brotherhood.esp" & all assets from it)
2. Install Vvardenfell & Dark Brotherhood Crossover, (this mod)
The original mod To Serve Sithis is NOT required as
Vvardenfell and Dark Brotherhood Crossover now includes an .esp replacer for
"Clean To Serve Sithis_.esp" & and all the assets from that mod.
CLEANING: "C:\Clean To Serve Sithis_.esp" ...
Loaded cached Master: <DATADIR>/morrowind.esm
Loaded cached Master: <DATADIR>/tribunal.esm
Loaded cached Master: <DATADIR>/bloodmoon.esm
Cleaned redundant WHGT from CELL: ald sotha, lower level
Cleaned duplicate object instance (Goren Andarys FRMR: 311526) from CELL: ald-ruhn, morag tong guildhall
Cleaned junk-CELL: ald-ruhn, morag tong guildhall
Cleaned redundant WHGT from CELL: ashalmimilkala, shrine
Cleaned duplicate object instance (ex_vivec_waterfall_01 FRMR: 420996) from CELL: assernerairan, shrine
Cleaned redundant WHGT from CELL: assernerairan, shrine
Cleaned redundant WHGT from CELL: balmora, south wall cornerclub
Cleaned redundant WHGT from CELL: balmora, temple
Cleaned redundant WHGT from CELL: caldera, nedhelas' house
Cleaned redundant WHGT from CELL: dagon fel, andre maul's tower
Cleaned redundant WHGT from CELL: heleran ancestral tomb
Cleaned duplicate object instance (active_de_p_bed_03 FRMR: 244324) from CELL: molag mar, armigers stronghold
Cleaned redundant WHGT from CELL: molag mar, armigers stronghold
Cleaned duplicate object instance (erval FRMR: 6824) from CELL: pelagiad, erval's house
Cleaned junk-CELL: pelagiad, erval's house
Cleaned redundant WHGT from CELL: pelagiad, halfway tavern
Cleaned redundant WHGT from CELL: suran, desele's house of earthly delights
Cleaned redundant WHGT from CELL: vivec, arena hidden area
Cleaned redundant WHGT from CELL: vivec, st. olms underworks
Cleaned redundant WHGT from CELL: yasamsi
Output saved in: "C:\Clean_Clean To Serve Sithis_.esp"
Original unaltered: "C:\Clean To Serve Sithis_.esp"
Cleaning Stats for "C:\Clean To Serve Sithis_.esp":
duplicate object instance: 4
junk-CELL: 2
redundant CELL.WHGT: 14
CLEANING: "C:\VB_EmynDB_Patch.esp" ...
Loaded cached Master: <DATADIR>/morrowind.esm
Loaded cached Master: <DATADIR>/tribunal.esm
Loaded cached Master: <DATADIR>/bloodmoon.esm
Cleaned redundant WHGT from CELL: ald sotha, lower level
Cleaned redundant WHGT from CELL: ald sotha, upper level
Cleaned redundant WHGT from CELL: ald-ruhn, morag tong guildhall
Cleaned redundant WHGT from CELL: assernerairan, shrine
Cleaned duplicate object instance (in_com_traptop_01 FRMR: 351149) from CELL: caldera, nedhelas' house
Cleaned redundant WHGT from CELL: caldera, nedhelas' house
Cleaned redundant WHGT from CELL: heleran ancestral tomb
Cleaned redundant WHGT from CELL: pelagiad, erval's house
Cleaned redundant WHGT from CELL: ules manor
Cleaned redundant WHGT from CELL: vivec, arena hidden area
Cleaned redundant WHGT from CELL: vivec, office of the watch
Output saved in: "C:\Clean_VB_EmynDB_Patch.esp"
Original unaltered: "C:\VB_EmynDB_Patch.esp"
Cleaning Stats for "C:\VB_EmynDB_Patch.esp":
duplicate object instance: 1
redundant CELL.WHGT: 10
I always do a check of every mod for "redundant junk"
Every frame and every byte counts on my mid powered laptop.
Thanks for putting up v1.1.
However this still remains;
CLEANING: "C:\Users\Administrator\Desktop\VB_EmynDB_Patch.ESP" ...
Loaded cached Master: <DATADIR>/morrowind.esm
Loaded cached Master: <DATADIR>/tribunal.esm
Loaded cached Master: <DATADIR>/bloodmoon.esm
Cleaned duplicate object instance (in_com_traptop_01 FRMR: 351149) from CELL: caldera, nedhelas' house
Output saved in: "C:\Users\Administrator\Desktop\Clean_VB_EmynDB_Patch.ESP"
Original unaltered: "C:\Users\Administrator\Desktop\VB_EmynDB_Patch.ESP"
Cleaning Stats for "C:\Users\Administrator\Desktop\VB_EmynDB_Patch.ESP":
duplicate object instance: 1
Note I'm using tes3cmd v0.37v
This has nothing to do with performance. I took care of the scripts to optimize them and you don't have any global scripts running in background forever.
All local scripts are properly returned/halted when out of use.
>>However this still remains;
Nothing remains all is cleaned only your OCD.
EDIT: If performance is an issue on your laptop I recommend to switch to OpenMW if you can live without MWSE mods or cut down on the mods.
Typing in console
showvarswill show you what global scripts are running if you're using vanilla engine. Typing inshowvarswill only list global variables for OpenMW users. This should help you identify mods that rely extensively on global scripts. Mind that if you see few it is not a performance issue. Only if you see script(s) that never shut down they cause issues. There are few global scripts from the base game that run constantly too.On a positive note thanks for sharing this;
"Typing in console showvars will show you what global scripts are running if you're using vanilla engine. Typing in showvars will only list global variables for OpenMW users. This should help you identify mods that rely extensively on global scripts. Mind that if you see few it is not a performance issue. Only if you see script(s) that never shut down they cause issues. There are few global scripts from the base game that run constantly too."
I've learnt something new.
Again thanks for the patch.