Well, basically: He's built up across the DLCs and even some of the main game as some ultimate foil to the player character. He's shoehorned into every story they can shoehorn him into (such as him conveniently visiting almost every DLC location or meeting DLC characters), yet his ultimate reveal in Lonesome Road is very underwhelming.
He's not a master-class villain worthy of every player's rivalry, he's just some weirdo who has a parasocial relationship with the player (who may or may not match the oddly specific past he provides). His ideology really just boils down to "mailmen are bad, they can deliver pipe bombs without even questioning it!" whilst simultaneously supposedly being a mailman.
i just can't agree with that analysis of the character, unfortunately. and im not looking to start an argument/discussion on the character. when most arguments boil down to "weirdo with parasocial relationship" or "bear and bull" i try and listen to what they say but it seems like a rather shallow, and uncritical look at a character who is supposed to be in argument for none of the factions being right for the mojave. he's an interesting character (to me) because he is both wrong and right, he is an interesting character because he mirrors the player, and he's interesting because he's so disillusioned with it all
Not really I just think avellone is an edgy writer who shoehorned him into the story, but hes written like someone who isnt even from the fallout universe. why would a tribal who was assimilated into roman larpers who also worked as a mailman talk like a philosopher? not even Caesar or Lanius talk that stupid. Shouldnt he have some sort of broken english and latin since he wasn't raised in a vault? it doesnt make sense in the fallout universe. hes like "you delivered a bomb unknowingly so now im going to blow everything you know into smithereens *include some bull bear allegory*". Ulysses is just masquerading as something bigger but his character just comes off as pretentious to me.
The reason you disagree is because the negative reactions to Ulysses are purely subjective, purely based on preference. People do understand fully the story being told with him and they A. Don't like that story and B. Don't like having the story they don't like shoved in their face.
I think Ulysses is fine, I don't hate him but he's not my favorite villain of all of Fallout, he's not even my favorite villain of New Vegas. He's serviceable if you want to accept the story he tells as being part of your backstory. And if you don't, he can be very annoying.
Basically, people don't like Lonesome Road and Ulysses because they already made their own backstories for their Couriers in their head and LR clashes with that. And that's fine. The Courier isn't some magical Master Chief of Spider-Man with some iron-clad, canonical story. They're just whoever the player wants them to be. And if the player doesn't want the Courier to have been involved with Hopeville, that's their prerogative.
He is a well written character, but still I feel like he would fit much better into KOTOR rather than Fallout because his motives and overall goals are just a little bit outworldly.
And btw, he is a perfect RPG character. He is trying to manipulate the player in every corner in order to make you follow him and eventually bring the ED-E to him. And what's so great about this DLC is that even with a 100 speech, you are gonna fail If you don't read the dialogues.
You can also complete the entire DLC and have him as a friend rather than final boss without the speech skill, which makes this DLC much better.
I hope we get a video surfacing of someone using this soon. I'm still running through the Capital Wasteland in TTW, I don't think I'll be to the point of confronting Ulysses any time soon.
Good stuff, exactly what I want to tell him every time I meet him.
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I remember playing through FNV for the first time, back when my understanding of english language was basically at 0. I thought Lonesome Road was developers attempt at making the combat-oriented "Anchorage-like" DLC. I couldn't understand Ulysses at all and the little info I actually got out of listening to him, made me think that he had simply mistaken me for someone else. I genuinely thought he was a comedic character, similar to scientists from OWB. The final part where goes all super-villain "IMMA BLOW UP THE WORLD!" only cemented that line of thinking.
I guess that first encounter broke his character for me, because I could never take him seriously afterwards. And when I actually tried to "respect" him and deeply think about the things he's saying, results weren't much better. He still came off as some crazy dude, going too deep into his rants, enjoying his own voice too much and assigning my blank slate courier a very specific backstory and personality for no f*#@ing reason.
yeah I couldnt understand anything he was saying on my first playthrough either, because LR was the first DLC I ever tried. Not to mention I just think Chris Avellone, the director of the dlcs is pretentious and ulysses still sounds out of place with the rest of the game
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He's built up across the DLCs and even some of the main game as some ultimate foil to the player character. He's shoehorned into every story they can shoehorn him into (such as him conveniently visiting almost every DLC location or meeting DLC characters), yet his ultimate reveal in Lonesome Road is very underwhelming.
He's not a master-class villain worthy of every player's rivalry, he's just some weirdo who has a parasocial relationship with the player (who may or may not match the oddly specific past he provides). His ideology really just boils down to "mailmen are bad, they can deliver pipe bombs without even questioning it!" whilst simultaneously supposedly being a mailman.
That's like my saying I'm not racist, then starts making racist comments, doesn't work like that
I think Ulysses is fine, I don't hate him but he's not my favorite villain of all of Fallout, he's not even my favorite villain of New Vegas. He's serviceable if you want to accept the story he tells as being part of your backstory. And if you don't, he can be very annoying.
Basically, people don't like Lonesome Road and Ulysses because they already made their own backstories for their Couriers in their head and LR clashes with that. And that's fine. The Courier isn't some magical Master Chief of Spider-Man with some iron-clad, canonical story. They're just whoever the player wants them to be. And if the player doesn't want the Courier to have been involved with Hopeville, that's their prerogative.
And btw, he is a perfect RPG character. He is trying to manipulate the player in every corner in order to make you follow him and eventually bring the ED-E to him. And what's so great about this DLC is that even with a 100 speech, you are gonna fail If you don't read the dialogues.
You can also complete the entire DLC and have him as a friend rather than final boss without the speech skill, which makes this DLC much better.
Without Chris Avellone, you don't have Fallout.
I remember playing through FNV for the first time, back when my understanding of english language was basically at 0. I thought Lonesome Road was developers attempt at making the combat-oriented "Anchorage-like" DLC. I couldn't understand Ulysses at all and the little info I actually got out of listening to him, made me think that he had simply mistaken me for someone else. I genuinely thought he was a comedic character, similar to scientists from OWB. The final part where goes all super-villain "IMMA BLOW UP THE WORLD!" only cemented that line of thinking.
I guess that first encounter broke his character for me, because I could never take him seriously afterwards. And when I actually tried to "respect" him and deeply think about the things he's saying, results weren't much better. He still came off as some crazy dude, going too deep into his rants, enjoying his own voice too much and assigning my blank slate courier a very specific backstory and personality for no f*#@ing reason.