It's funny, I was just talking to a friend about how I'd love to see UK engines brought onto the game with US features for lore reasons... and here we are. Happy New Year!
Hi! I found one bug, and then was curious about something else:
Regarding the bug, the tender engine variant that you can color won't fill with water unless the pipe is positioned on the back of the tender, over the air tank. The non-colorable tender loco has it positioned correctly over the water hatch.
As for what I was curious about, I saw and understand that you decided to lower the fuel capacity to 1,000 lbs. Is it meant to be that way for both the tender and the tenderless version? Both versions have the same amount of coal, but the tender version has more water. As things currently stand, you run out of coal much faster than water on both versions. I was just wondering if having 1,000 lbs of coal on all variants was on purpose, and if so maybe if the water capacity should be dropped to match...
The colored tender water placement is likely a left over from the original tender model, which can be fixed in the next mod update.
As for your question of curiosity, both yes and no. The tender variant is accurate as far as I am aware based on other examples of locomotives that used this method (See the LNER Y9 class at LNER.Info), as for the tank engine, if I recall correctly is about the 1000lbs mark. This is an inflated metric. I will have to double check this, and may adjust back to the real counterpart metric, which is about 500lbs, or a quarter ton of fuel. I’ll report back once I have the numbers fresh in my mind.
As for the water capacities, Tank engine is accurate at 760 Gallons of water (sources have placed it between 500-760, have gone with the higher estimate for gameplay reasons) and still remains reasonable for tank size. As for the Tender variant, 1500 gallons is also accurate, a 1000 gallon tank plus the 500 (low side estimate) from the Locomotive tank. Think of the Ffestiniog Small / Large england classes. Their classifications being 040TT, TT being Tank + tender. We’ve mirrored that here with the Trojans, though, the only different being that the Ffestiniog locomotive tenders are just for carrying extra coal
Hey! In game. it says the engine takes about 1,000 lbs of coal which adds up to the half ton mark in game. Whilst the water amount is about 1,500 gallons.
would it be possible to up the coal count to 1.5? Because the Vertical boiler switchers have 1.5T of coal and 2.5 gallons of water, and are smaller than the Trojans, and I think a bit weaker, If not that's fine, but I just wanted to ask
(Heads up rq, i tend to ramble a bit. Apologies.) Hello, creator of the vertical boiler loco here. I would like to point out that if real the coal capacity would be way less than the 1.5T ingame (it'd be like 0.1T at most considering the 2 coal sacks would hold around 0.02 to 0.05 tons), but since its fictional and i, personally, wasn't a fan of it basically being unable to move very far it was upped for the sake of game play, and as of now a patch im working on is going to lower that amount to about 0.5 or 1 ton, same with the water as thats way too high realistically speaking (this is planned due to other locos being planned). so to be honest its pretty fair to say 1000 lbs and 1500 gallons is quite fair.
ah ok that is fair. I might just be overestimating how much the coal and water the tender on the engine could take. thank you for pointing this out to me @GreenFoxProductions
Sorry to have to have you explain this to me. I was only using your mod as a reference point bc I figured that the amounts in them were a good point to reference since they are a similar locomotive in the services that they fulfill.
Frankly I could not have said it better myself, I did not want to assume why the VBT had increased fuel capacity. Thank you for that
Trojan is truly intended as a yard goat, shop switcher, and with the additional tender, a small branch engine. We wanted fuel capacities to match that best. Thank you for everyone’s interest in the mod so far
Nah, don't worry about it. i understand why you'd use it as a reference since it is a small tank engine just like the trojan, but when it comes to fictional locomotives its best to not use them as reference points for IRL locomotives. In my case i just went for gameplay over realism.
The tender capacity is lower now as when shown off with Mark due to it being a different model. Battleship and myself had found the original tender model did not fit in with our vision of the mod. There for, a smaller tender was made up, and to fit with the proportions of the tender, it was decided to lower the fuel capacities as well
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Regarding the bug, the tender engine variant that you can color won't fill with water unless the pipe is positioned on the back of the tender, over the air tank. The non-colorable tender loco has it positioned correctly over the water hatch.
As for what I was curious about, I saw and understand that you decided to lower the fuel capacity to 1,000 lbs. Is it meant to be that way for both the tender and the tenderless version? Both versions have the same amount of coal, but the tender version has more water. As things currently stand, you run out of coal much faster than water on both versions.
I was just wondering if having 1,000 lbs of coal on all variants was on purpose, and if so maybe if the water capacity should be dropped to match...
Thanks a bunch for considering these!
As for your question of curiosity, both yes and no. The tender variant is accurate as far as I am aware based on other examples of locomotives that used this method (See the LNER Y9 class at LNER.Info), as for the tank engine, if I recall correctly is about the 1000lbs mark. This is an inflated metric. I will have to double check this, and may adjust back to the real counterpart metric, which is about 500lbs, or a quarter ton of fuel. I’ll report back once I have the numbers fresh in my mind.
As for the water capacities, Tank engine is accurate at 760 Gallons of water (sources have placed it between 500-760, have gone with the higher estimate for gameplay reasons) and still remains reasonable for tank size. As for the Tender variant, 1500 gallons is also accurate, a 1000 gallon tank plus the 500 (low side estimate) from the Locomotive tank. Think of the Ffestiniog Small / Large england classes. Their classifications being 040TT, TT being Tank + tender. We’ve mirrored that here with the Trojans, though, the only different being that the Ffestiniog locomotive tenders are just for carrying extra coal
would it be possible to up the coal count to 1.5? Because the Vertical boiler switchers have 1.5T of coal and 2.5 gallons of water, and are smaller than the Trojans, and I think a bit weaker, If not that's fine, but I just wanted to ask
Hello, creator of the vertical boiler loco here. I would like to point out that if real the coal capacity would be way less than the 1.5T ingame (it'd be like 0.1T at most considering the 2 coal sacks would hold around 0.02 to 0.05 tons), but since its fictional and i, personally, wasn't a fan of it basically being unable to move very far it was upped for the sake of game play, and as of now a patch im working on is going to lower that amount to about 0.5 or 1 ton, same with the water as thats way too high realistically speaking (this is planned due to other locos being planned). so to be honest its pretty fair to say 1000 lbs and 1500 gallons is quite fair.
Sorry to have to have you explain this to me. I was only using your mod as a reference point bc I figured that the amounts in them were a good point to reference since they are a similar locomotive in the services that they fulfill.
Trojan is truly intended as a yard goat, shop switcher, and with the additional tender, a small branch engine. We wanted fuel capacities to match that best. Thank you for everyone’s interest in the mod so far
The tender capacity is lower now as when shown off with Mark due to it being a different model. Battleship and myself had found the original tender model did not fit in with our vision of the mod. There for, a smaller tender was made up, and to fit with the proportions of the tender, it was decided to lower the fuel capacities as well