Update 1.4 has been released with continued adjustments to the Custom Original Face, new physics for hair and skirt as well the remake outfit on the hanger at the motel instead of the original one. To view Maria in motion, you can find a short clip here. Note: The video contains the 1.0 version of Maria's face and physics.
Known Issues: - Sometimes Maria's eyes and tongue will clip through areas they shouldn't. This is a known issue with modding Maria and currently there's no fix. Once one has been found, I will be able to correct the mod.
They eyes and tongue are a known issue that occurs with importing over some characters. Unfortunately Maria is one of them, and there hasn't been a found fix yet which is why the remake version of the face still does it. Obviously once one is found, I'll update the mod.
Are you sleep deprived from modding? I can see why Modders are...well not on the official development team. Honestly laughed at the idea of you going " Yea this looks Polished AF" with these screenshots. It's giving...."Y so Serious?" and her Face is just Wider than my bedroom Door lmao
Just an update, I'm looking into the texture issue further to try and it. I have no idea why it started occurring randomly after it not being an issue in the first place. Saying it needs to be fixed 'ASAP' will not, in fact, make it happen ASAP lol. There will be resolve when it can be resolved.
Honestly laughed at the idea of you going " Yea this looks Polished AF" with these screenshots. It's giving...."Y so Serious?" and her Face is just Wider than my bedroom Door lmao
makachu93Are you braindead? The modded face is literally slimmer than the remake face. Look at the closeup screenshots.
in original texture she has some bruises in that level, game definitely changes either texture itself or wrapping it dirrefently there. in fact it does the same for james, so for example bald james mod becomes looking weird in labyrinth
As a slender woman with a slimmer, less square jawline I'm so SO happy to finally be getting representation in games. Even it's just from mods, it's wonderful to have a break from the backward standards of appearance and unrealistic body standards imposed by big corporations and game studios! Not all us gals are lumberjacks with linebacker shoulders!
And thanks Nexus Mods for being a place where we can give people the purely optional option to escape the highly problematic body standards imposed on us by the toxic-capitalism of triple A game studios and publishers.
I'm confused by your post. On the one hand you seem to be complaining about the abundance of masculine looking female characters in videogames today and how pleased you are to see a mod making this particular character more feminine looking. But then, on the other hand, you blame capitalism for the abundance of those very "problematic body standards" (your words).
This is strange, as it's well documented that the majority of videogame buying players prefer most female characters to look feminine and, in many cases, publishers have seen loss of sales due to the over-the-top depiction of female characters having body-builder physiques. This would indicate that the problem is not coming from capitalism, quite the opposite. It's also well documented that the cause of this depiction of female characters in videogames has been coming from "consultancy" companies like Sweet Baby Inc, who are essentially performing a kind of extortion racket on game developers, ie "design your games the way we tell you to or we'll organize boycotts of your game etc". This is literally the opposite of how capitalism is supposed to work so it's odd that you would lay the blame for this problem you're having at capitalism's feet, especially since many of the minds behind this problem are explicitly anti-capitalist type people.
Regardless, the whole "representation" thing, ie needing to "see oneself on screen" in order to enjoy a work of fiction is a very strange concept to me, regardless of who's doing it or why (though in this case I concede it's nice to have a change of pace from every female character looking like Mr. Olympia).
Really good mod all in all, but any chance we can get just the outfit without a custom face? I already use a different Maria face, but this is otherwise really great stuff.
Disregard, been playing with your mod and it's SO f*#@ing good and well-put together that there's no way I can switch back again. This is good enough to have been official, I have no idea why they changed her so much. Thanks!
Please help. I can't get the game running with this mod. It's stuck eternally on the load screen.
The only other mod I have is James smooth hair. I downloaded another Maria mod before that changes the outfit similar to this, but that wouldn't load either. I think it's either the size of the mod loading in at the beginning or something to do with Maria.
It's honestly baffling to me how many people there are here asking for the face mod only, preserving the Remake's outfit.
Maria's remake outfit is barely sexy at all. And that isn't just me whining that I can't see sexy ladies in my videogames - in case you've never played Silent Hill 2 before (or you have and this just always went over your head), Maria's over-sexuality, which is reflected in her original outfit, is an integral part of the game's story. It's not incidental . Removing Maria's sexualisation makes absolutely no sense at all, and the game's storyline makes less sense as a result. You may as well remove the entire character, because...
SPOILERS
Maria is the personification of James's sexual fantasies about his wife. She's what he wished Mary was like. Redesigning her outfit the way they have for the Remake renders her character nonsensical - apparently, in this new version of Silent Hill 2, James wished Mary was exactly the same as she always was but with a leather jacket...
END SPOILERS
Whatever floats your boat, I guess, but I have to assume most of these posts declaring they prefer the remake's version of Maria's outfit over the original are newcomers who never played the original Silent Hill 2. Either that, or they simply never understood the plot or the themes of Silent Hill 2 to begin with.
Excellent job on the mod, by the way. I was willing to give the Remake's take on Maria a chance, seen as how their take on Angela has grown on me, but as soon as I got to the Rosewater Park cutscene I had to close the game down to install your mod.
sorry...I download newest "Original-Styled Face" and "Remake Face" (version 1.3), try them seperately, and all i got problem. In the scene where Maria die on the bed, her boots have her face textures and face wound looks strange...here is the pic...help please....thank you (all other scenes and gameplay look normal)
Same. I posted one on the bug tab though. I hope this gets patched. I really love this mod so much. It just needs a bit more tweaking and it's perfect.
why are yall getting mods on your first playthrough? "Dont spoil bro" just play the game without mods first then get them. This isnt fallout 4 where you will dedicate half of your life to finish one playthrough. Just play the game.
@jayv4mayor that doesn't mean shit. theres obviously still people that haven't played the game yet, and the remake has brought a lot of new fans. @jwilliams3576 why shouldn't people be allowed to download mods? we all know the character models in this game look like shit. they completely changed angela, james, and maria's look and a lot of people (including me) want to make them look more like the original. you're not downloading a game changing modpack, just a character model change.
Both of these excuses are dumb af. just don't spoil the game because you know that there are obviously people that haven't played it yet.
Just an update, I'm looking into this further to try and fix the issue. I have no idea why it started occurring randomly after it not being an issue in the first place.
You realise her face is a scan of her actress, yes? Strangely, I don't know anybody that would look at a picture of Salome Gunnarsdottir and accuse her of looking ugly and fussing about her jaw, because she's an attractive woman. But man, put this real woman's face in the video game and people start to ask why the devs made a character's face different or jaw wider as if the face as a whole weren't entirely different. Maybe the solution all along was for them to cast Cameron Diaz as Maria in this game so the face would look about the same as it did in the original CGs and we wouldn't have so many people crying about it.
I've looked up the actress and come to the same conclusion, She is a fine looking woman but she has a wide jaw and pointy features in certain photos that I don't find particularly attractive...
I'm from the UK and exposed to a lot of American media so maybe someone from Iceland or northern Europe would generally perceive her as more attractive?
My idea of Mary and Maria is that Mary is a very attractive woman who dresses conservatively, especially when she got sick and Maria is the embodiment of what Mary would look like if she dressed and acted seductively... Like the typical "Good girl gone wild" Hollywood gimmick where the Shy nerdy girl is never noticed until one of the popular girls gives them a makeover and more "alluring" attire and then everyone realises that they were drop-dead gorgeous all along.
It doesn't matter what the OG actress looks like. It doesn't matter what you do or don't find attractive. It matters to stick close to representing the OG model, which doesn't have a noticeably very wide jaw.
I personally don't see anything wrong with the remake face. That being said, just because it's a facial scan of a real life person does not mean it automatically translates well to a video game without the correct steps taken place. For example, you can't just scan a head and plop it onto a handcrafted body outfit, you still need to scale it against the shoulders, the body type, even the hips, etc. for it to all match. Not saying that remake Maria has this particular issue (although I did widen the shoulders and waist for a reason), however simply scanning in a real life person's face doesn't mean there isn't adjustments that need to be made. This is what I've been noticing a lot with a lot of games that do facial scanning. Kay Vess had this exact issue where her head/skull was disproportionately larger than her body which gave her a warped look. Everyone said it's because they tried to make her more manly, but in my opinion they just didn't scale the head correctly to the body.
@Detachi No, it matters to *you* that it "sticks close to representing the OG model," because that's what you decided you wanted. It is not something that matters altogether that much to the vast majority of people, because the reality is that the exact, precise faces in the original are not the only faces that can work for these characters, and in the case of Maria, would outright open up Konami for a lawsuit for using Cameron Diaz's likeness, akin to when TLoU had to alter Ellie's face due to looking too much like Ellen Page. But this is not an expectation that most hold firmly to for the RE remakes, for the Dead Space remake, and for the most part this remake as well. Remember that you are in an exceptionally small minority in the grand scheme of things that is so invested in Maria looking almost exactly the same. That's not to say that I don't appreciate mods like this that get Maria looking like the original for one reason or another - I don't like how Claire looks in RE2 Remake by default, and incidentally I use Swiz's own 90s Re-Reimagined mod as my default Claire - and I'll probably use this mod on a playthrough or playthroughs in future once the issues are resolved, but I'm not conceited enough to insist that it's the job of the developers to make what's ultimately a reimagining some 1:1 recreation of 23 year-old game. The reality is this: Even if they did make the game have the camera camera angles, they faces were perfect, higher quality recreations of the original faces, the gameplay were the same, etc., etc., it wouldn't matter - it would not be the same game as the original Silent Hill 2. Silent Hill 2 is the total sum of every one of its parts, including its visuals, its technical limitations, it's flaws, etc. Silent Hill 2 isn't even a particularly good or well designed video game for the most part, with generally worse gameplay than Silent Hill 1 or 3. But it's an important and unique game regardless because of exactly how it turned out. This simply cannot be replicated, and it's completely arbitrary and differs from person to person what exactly they're looking for to make a remake "faithful." It's simply impossible to please everyone, especially in this current industry and political environment, and especially when it comes to certain games like SH2 which famously has kind of a cult behind it.
@swiz I agree. And if people were primarily complaining about odd proportions of her body compared to her head, I'd concur with the complaints, but mostly people are complaining that her facial structure being different makes her "not Maria," or that her jaw being wider makes her "masculine" and the game "the result of woke developers!!" and "DEI ruining the game," which is just the ridiculous result of a political environment wherein the reactionary response to a problem ("wokeness") has become more rabid than the problem it was initially reacting against and spreads even to products where it doesn't apply. It's infantile behaviour.
In any case, you've done an excellent job with this mod so far - here's hoping solutions can be found to the remaining issues. Keep it up, man.
Get your eyes checked if you think the actress and the abomination in the game look like each other. I suggest watching an uglification video to see how different the actress look from their video game counterpart are. This game is no different.
Those weirdo's did something to her face and altered it. Her cheeks aren't popping up 24/7 like the joker. What she looks like in real life is closer to the concept art that was recently released that I have shared in a post above. Here's the image https://postimg.cc/y3CmZHPQ it's the one facing straight.
Here's an photo from imdb here This ones not fair since it's 8 years ago but the point is to show her cheek and jaw line are not the same in her younger self and her current self in the Silent Hill 2 remake video below. It's from a movie called Autumn Lights
This one is the same movie but it's her smiling and laughing and it does not look hideous at all
and this isn't some conspiracy or anything but the first female talking in this video looks frightening the same structure as ugly Maria and she's a designer too suspicious face. at 10:39 is when they show Salóme Gunnarsdóttir
Well looks like certain links are auto deleted. Anyways, the imdb image I was referring to is where she's staring at you similarly like the concept art I post in the image above this post.
If you do a youtube search on just her name Salóme Gunnarsdóttir, the clip I was reffering to is named "Autumn Lights Movie CLIP - Marie (2016) - Guy Kent Movie". There's a short video too of her smiling and laughing if you post this in the address after the com and forward slash. watch?v=whZotEq6LTY
Then there's the Silent Hill 2 Remake - Full Behind the Scenes & Motion Capture video
I agree Bloober Team not doing good job with character body proposition. If you looked at Resident Evil Remakes, no one complaints about big head, small body, weird proposition. They used different actors for face and body, then refined everything, it doesn't have to be 100% similar to real life version of them. Face actor for Leon was skinnier in real life and different body types, in games he looks buffed but also correctly propositioned. Bloober Team just need to do better.
A lot of these "face scan" characters can look weirdly different from their real life actors' faces. The same thing happened with Chris Redfield in Resident Evil 7. I don't know if it's just sometimes the scan doesn't work out well, if the devs are doing a bad job animating them, or if it's literally in our brains, so to speak, kind of like the uncanny valley.
Wow. That's such a patently absurd statement it's mind boggling.
You're talking about the same game - the same character, even - that the modern designers chose to completely de-sexualise the clothes of said character (which, incidentally, makes absolutely no sense in this game since Maria's sexualisation is an integral part of the game's story).
It's also a well documented fact that modern AAA games are all following this pattern, with their "modern designers" doing everything they can to de-sexualise their female characters as much as possible to appease the Anita Sarkeesian crowd. The fact that as developers are doing this that crowd is still finding ways to spin it that these games are somehow "misogynistic" is gaslighting off the scale.
Not to mention that the remake face is clearly less attractive than the original...
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Note: The video contains the 1.0 version of Maria's face and physics.
Known Issues:
- Sometimes Maria's eyes and tongue will clip through areas they shouldn't. This is a known issue with modding Maria and currently there's no fix. Once one has been found, I will be able to correct the mod.
Also nice mod for those who are wanting a more OG look.
in fact it does the same for james, so for example bald james mod becomes looking weird in labyrinth
And thanks Nexus Mods for being a place where we can give people the purely optional option to escape the highly problematic body standards imposed on us by the toxic-capitalism of triple A game studios and publishers.
This is strange, as it's well documented that the majority of videogame buying players prefer most female characters to look feminine and, in many cases, publishers have seen loss of sales due to the over-the-top depiction of female characters having body-builder physiques. This would indicate that the problem is not coming from capitalism, quite the opposite. It's also well documented that the cause of this depiction of female characters in videogames has been coming from "consultancy" companies like Sweet Baby Inc, who are essentially performing a kind of extortion racket on game developers, ie "design your games the way we tell you to or we'll organize boycotts of your game etc". This is literally the opposite of how capitalism is supposed to work so it's odd that you would lay the blame for this problem you're having at capitalism's feet, especially since many of the minds behind this problem are explicitly anti-capitalist type people.
Regardless, the whole "representation" thing, ie needing to "see oneself on screen" in order to enjoy a work of fiction is a very strange concept to me, regardless of who's doing it or why (though in this case I concede it's nice to have a change of pace from every female character looking like Mr. Olympia).
This is the dumbest thing, I've ever read, on this website. That's really saying something.
Thanks!
The only other mod I have is James smooth hair. I downloaded another Maria mod before that changes the outfit similar to this, but that wouldn't load either. I think it's either the size of the mod loading in at the beginning or something to do with Maria.
No idea. Please help.
Maria's remake outfit is barely sexy at all. And that isn't just me whining that I can't see sexy ladies in my videogames - in case you've never played Silent Hill 2 before (or you have and this just always went over your head), Maria's over-sexuality, which is reflected in her original outfit, is an integral part of the game's story. It's not incidental . Removing Maria's sexualisation makes absolutely no sense at all, and the game's storyline makes less sense as a result. You may as well remove the entire character, because...
SPOILERS
Maria is the personification of James's sexual fantasies about his wife. She's what he wished Mary was like. Redesigning her outfit the way they have for the Remake renders her character nonsensical - apparently, in this new version of Silent Hill 2, James wished Mary was exactly the same as she always was but with a leather jacket...
END SPOILERS
Whatever floats your boat, I guess, but I have to assume most of these posts declaring they prefer the remake's version of Maria's outfit over the original are newcomers who never played the original Silent Hill 2. Either that, or they simply never understood the plot or the themes of Silent Hill 2 to begin with.
Excellent job on the mod, by the way. I was willing to give the Remake's take on Maria a chance, seen as how their take on Angela has grown on me, but as soon as I got to the Rosewater Park cutscene I had to close the game down to install your mod.
Modders doing developers jobs for them.
Thanks for posting pics.
What a stupid justification.
@jwilliams3576 why shouldn't people be allowed to download mods? we all know the character models in this game look like shit. they completely changed angela, james, and maria's look and a lot of people (including me) want to make them look more like the original. you're not downloading a game changing modpack, just a character model change.
Both of these excuses are dumb af. just don't spoil the game because you know that there are obviously people that haven't played it yet.
I've looked up the actress and come to the same conclusion, She is a fine looking woman but she has a wide jaw and pointy features in certain photos that I don't find particularly attractive...
I'm from the UK and exposed to a lot of American media so maybe someone from Iceland or northern Europe would generally perceive her as more attractive?
My idea of Mary and Maria is that Mary is a very attractive woman who dresses conservatively, especially when she got sick and Maria is the embodiment of what Mary would look like if she dressed and acted seductively... Like the typical "Good girl gone wild" Hollywood gimmick where the Shy nerdy girl is never noticed until one of the popular girls gives them a makeover and more "alluring" attire and then everyone realises that they were drop-dead gorgeous all along.
Just my 2 cents...
No, it matters to *you* that it "sticks close to representing the OG model," because that's what you decided you wanted. It is not something that matters altogether that much to the vast majority of people, because the reality is that the exact, precise faces in the original are not the only faces that can work for these characters, and in the case of Maria, would outright open up Konami for a lawsuit for using Cameron Diaz's likeness, akin to when TLoU had to alter Ellie's face due to looking too much like Ellen Page. But this is not an expectation that most hold firmly to for the RE remakes, for the Dead Space remake, and for the most part this remake as well. Remember that you are in an exceptionally small minority in the grand scheme of things that is so invested in Maria looking almost exactly the same. That's not to say that I don't appreciate mods like this that get Maria looking like the original for one reason or another - I don't like how Claire looks in RE2 Remake by default, and incidentally I use Swiz's own 90s Re-Reimagined mod as my default Claire - and I'll probably use this mod on a playthrough or playthroughs in future once the issues are resolved, but I'm not conceited enough to insist that it's the job of the developers to make what's ultimately a reimagining some 1:1 recreation of 23 year-old game. The reality is this: Even if they did make the game have the camera camera angles, they faces were perfect, higher quality recreations of the original faces, the gameplay were the same, etc., etc., it wouldn't matter - it would not be the same game as the original Silent Hill 2. Silent Hill 2 is the total sum of every one of its parts, including its visuals, its technical limitations, it's flaws, etc. Silent Hill 2 isn't even a particularly good or well designed video game for the most part, with generally worse gameplay than Silent Hill 1 or 3. But it's an important and unique game regardless because of exactly how it turned out. This simply cannot be replicated, and it's completely arbitrary and differs from person to person what exactly they're looking for to make a remake "faithful." It's simply impossible to please everyone, especially in this current industry and political environment, and especially when it comes to certain games like SH2 which famously has kind of a cult behind it.
@swiz
I agree. And if people were primarily complaining about odd proportions of her body compared to her head, I'd concur with the complaints, but mostly people are complaining that her facial structure being different makes her "not Maria," or that her jaw being wider makes her "masculine" and the game "the result of woke developers!!" and "DEI ruining the game," which is just the ridiculous result of a political environment wherein the reactionary response to a problem ("wokeness") has become more rabid than the problem it was initially reacting against and spreads even to products where it doesn't apply. It's infantile behaviour.
In any case, you've done an excellent job with this mod so far - here's hoping solutions can be found to the remaining issues. Keep it up, man.
Those weirdo's did something to her face and altered it. Her cheeks aren't popping up 24/7 like the joker. What she looks like in real life is closer to the concept art that was recently released that I have shared in a post above. Here's the image https://postimg.cc/y3CmZHPQ it's the one facing straight.
Here's an photo from imdb here
This ones not fair since it's 8 years ago but the point is to show her cheek and jaw line are not the same in her younger self and her current self in the Silent Hill 2 remake video below. It's from a movie called Autumn Lights
This one is the same movie but it's her smiling and laughing and it does not look hideous at all
and this isn't some conspiracy or anything but the first female talking in this video looks frightening the same structure as ugly Maria and she's a designer too suspicious face. at 10:39 is when they show Salóme Gunnarsdóttir
If you do a youtube search on just her name Salóme Gunnarsdóttir, the clip I was reffering to is named "Autumn Lights Movie CLIP - Marie (2016) - Guy Kent Movie". There's a short video too of her smiling and laughing if you post this in the address after the com and forward slash. watch?v=whZotEq6LTY
Then there's the Silent Hill 2 Remake - Full Behind the Scenes & Motion Capture video
If you looked at Resident Evil Remakes, no one complaints about big head, small body, weird proposition. They used different actors for face and body, then refined everything, it doesn't have to be 100% similar to real life version of them. Face actor for Leon was skinnier in real life and different body types, in games he looks buffed but also correctly propositioned. Bloober Team just need to do better.
You're talking about the same game - the same character, even - that the modern designers chose to completely de-sexualise the clothes of said character (which, incidentally, makes absolutely no sense in this game since Maria's sexualisation is an integral part of the game's story).
It's also a well documented fact that modern AAA games are all following this pattern, with their "modern designers" doing everything they can to de-sexualise their female characters as much as possible to appease the Anita Sarkeesian crowd. The fact that as developers are doing this that crowd is still finding ways to spin it that these games are somehow "misogynistic" is gaslighting off the scale.
Not to mention that the remake face is clearly less attractive than the original...
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