So because the main character became Sheogorath, Sheogorath must now look different than he did in Oblivion? I mean, he copied his voice and personality, so why can't he copy his looks too? If anything, I see this as a lore-friendly addition to the game, albeit short-lived. I've seen all the incarnations of Sheogorath, and I personally like his Oblivion incarnation the best.
No. People seem to be having a hard time understanding this, and though this may seem "Opinionated Perspective" This should be the correct interpretation as to what actually corresponded at the Shivering Isles. To help people understand this, I am going to use fruit to explain this.
When you entered the kitchen (Shivering Isles) You encountered the Apple (MadGod) The Apple tells you that over time he becomes an Orange, and Apples really hate Oranges. The Orange loves order, but the Apple loves disorder. When the Apple becomes Orange, he destroys anything the Apple has built for himself. After some time The Orange becomes Apple again. And so the cycle continues. However, this one time, a Tomato is introduced (YOU) And so the Apple comes up with an idea to stop this cycle. Apple tells the Tomato you are going to become me but you wont be THE ME. And since this has never happened before, things began to change. The cycle continued and so the Apple become an Orange, but guess what? The Tomato was there to stop him! And so the Tomato(YOU, just in case you forgot) stopped this cycle (The Graymarch) and since this was stopped, the Orange( Jyggalag) stayed Orange. Thus there should be no reason for Graymarch to ever happen again, which means that the Apple got destroyed(not really, the conduit has) Originally there was ONLY Orange, but other fruits got jealous of the Orange and so they CREATED the Apple. Means that Apple never existed, there never was a Deadric prince of madness, the others created him. After this whole affair the Orange tells you that you can have this kingdom and leaves. Now people keep saying that over time you will become an Apple, that you are holding the position for the time being until the Apple comes back, but actually, you are a new FRUIT that is part of this equation. Let me clear this up about Arden-Sul who is said to have been metaled to HOLD the position of the MADGOD. You will NOT BE HOLDING the potions. Meaning that YES, you will become the MadGod, or, rather you already have, being a FRUIT. EVERYONE goes mad, but no one stays mad the same, the MadGod (Deadric Prince), will not return, YOU are the MadGod a NEW one, because this position is so deeply rooted that there cannot be a world without Madness. So you have to stay as MadGod. The other Apple, will not come back to the Tomato to make it an Apple. This just becomes a new flavor of Tomato. Point being, you are not a Deadric Prince, nor can you become a Deadric Prince. But you are, no doubt, a MADGOD. This is why the Deadric Prince of madness says "You will sorta be me"
What I am trying to say is this, the concept of the MADNESS survives, madness cannot be killed. So YES, you are a different MadGod, a brand new one. You will not have to mantle anyone, you get to stay as the MadGod. There will never be a replacement, you will not have to do anything like the Graymarch. Well, until Bethesda decides to make up another reason to mental so they can milk the cow for money.
Has Madness lost power? NO. Has the MadGod/conduit for madness lost some power? Yes. The container for the Madness is weaker.
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Fruit(MADNESS) APPLE (Deadric Prince of Madness) Orange(Deadric that represents Order) Tomato(YOU)(MADGOD)
Sheogorath would be proud. Also I like that you used a tomato for that analogy because in the Shivering Isles DLC there's a side quest item called the Soul Tomato.
Then why does Hero of Kvatch Sheogorath keep calling himself a Daedric Prince if he isn't one? At any rate, here is MY personal hot take on all of this.
I disagree with that part of your assessment (that he didn't become a Daedric Prince), though I agree with other aspects A Daedric Sphere of Influence certainly doesn't have to pre-exist for a new Daedric Prince to come into being, we agree there. But to where I disagree with you. Yes, the Hero of Kvatch didn't become the very same personal identity as old Sheogorath, but he did become the new Sheogorath and he *did* become a Daedric Prince. He would not be the first Non-Daedra to become a Daedra. It can happen and has happened (Meridia, Malacath). He isn't even the first MORTAL to have become a Daedra (Umaril the Unfeathered, not a prince but still a powerful daedra due to the divine will of a daedric prince). By the time MY hero of Kvatch mantled Sheogorath however, he was already a god-hero, a demi-god, he was the Divine Crusader. He had already developed a bit of a demi-god nature by mantling a Shezarrine (and thus becoming a Shezarrine himself if he wasn't already one, and some believe he was).
I do agree with you that the Hero of Kvatch DID become a god obviously. The people who keep insisting he didn't seem to miss a very important word used during the Shivering Isles quest line. "Apotheosis", which is "The elevation of someone to divine status; deification. from late 16th century: via ecclesiastical Latin from Greek apothe?sis, from apotheoun ‘make a god of’, from apo ‘from’ + theos ‘god’." The Hero of Kvatch was deified. Made a god. This happened at least in part when he bathed the new Staff of Sheogorath in the Font of Madness. When Jyggalag left the Shivering Isles to him and went on his own way, this new godling then fully Mantled Sheogorath. Over time he grew to full Daedric Prince status, as Skyrim shows us. That is my firm belief.
@Suspirata that makes plenty of sense. At first, he was a new sheogorath, not exactly Sheogorath's personality, until over time the personality encumbered him until the Hero of Kvatch becomes an exact copy of the old Sheogorath which makes plenty of sense, seeing as how in oblivion after you become the new sheogorath, you are not quite yet entirely changed, yet as seen in skyrim, the Hero of Kvatch changed plenty, and has thus attained more of the old sheogorath's personality over time, which possibly means that the skyrim Sheogorath is a full old-copy Sheogorath, and exact copy, without change, meaning the old became the new and the new became the old
That's one of most essential mods on my modding list, given that I roleplay a completely alternate SI questline and it makes sense for me to have the same Sheogorath in both SI and Skyrim.
His eyes creeped me out and i wanted to recreate that. So it feels more like a bring back to the good old days of fighting with pain sluts and itching teeth
I do know how to fix this. When you edit an NPC, their skin tone is confused so it goes gray. you can fix this by either changing their weight in the console (but you'd have to do it every time you reload) or you could do this to make it permanent, do this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOXF89QtgYM
To anyone and everyone who has said, "but Sheogorath would look like my Oblivion character, wouldn't he?" you should look up the concept of manteling in the Elder Scrolls universe. Manteling is essentially the idea that if someone's identity is no longer occupied by them, it can be occupied by someone else (there's more to it than that, but whatever). This is what happens at the end of the Shivering Isles in Oblivion. You don't just take Sheogorath's power and realm, you take the mantel of Sheogorath and BECOME SHEOGORATH, hence eventually taking up the appearance of the original madgod. This is also what happens with the Gray Fox, which is where there's the idea that the Gray Fox has been around for 250 years, rather than it being common knowledge that the mask is passed down. When you take the Cowl of Nocturnal, you don't just get to put the mask on and be like "I'm the new Gray Fox!" but instead, you actually BECOME THE GRAY FOX. By taking up the Mantel of the Gray Fox, there is absolutely no difference between you and the last guy, and reality changes to accommodate the idea that you've been the Gray Fox all along.
While he might change his appearance from game to game just because he's, well, him, I preferred the Oblivion version over all of them. So thanks for this, he is just right now.
Could someone make a mod were the look of Sheogorath is randomized? (gender, race etc...) I imagine the hardest part would be the script that does the randomization and the voices. as far as the debate between whether Sheogorath is the Oblivion PC or not, I play Elder scrolls to make a story of my own.
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JumpWhen you entered the kitchen (Shivering Isles) You encountered the Apple (MadGod) The Apple tells you that over time he becomes an Orange, and Apples really hate Oranges. The Orange loves order, but the Apple loves disorder. When the Apple becomes Orange, he destroys anything the Apple has built for himself. After some time The Orange becomes Apple again. And so the cycle continues. However, this one time, a Tomato is introduced (YOU) And so the Apple comes up with an idea to stop this cycle. Apple tells the Tomato you are going to become me but you wont be THE ME. And since this has never happened before, things began to change. The cycle continued and so the Apple become an Orange, but guess what? The Tomato was there to stop him! And so the Tomato(YOU, just in case you forgot) stopped this cycle (The Graymarch) and since this was stopped, the Orange( Jyggalag) stayed Orange. Thus there should be no reason for Graymarch to ever happen again, which means that the Apple got destroyed(not really, the conduit has) Originally there was ONLY Orange, but other fruits got jealous of the Orange and so they CREATED the Apple. Means that Apple never existed, there never was a Deadric prince of madness, the others created him. After this whole affair the Orange tells you that you can have this kingdom and leaves. Now people keep saying that over time you will become an Apple, that you are holding the position for the time being until the Apple comes back, but actually, you are a new FRUIT that is part of this equation. Let me clear this up about Arden-Sul who is said to have been metaled to HOLD the position of the MADGOD. You will NOT BE HOLDING the potions. Meaning that YES, you will become the MadGod, or, rather you already have, being a FRUIT. EVERYONE goes mad, but no one stays mad the same, the MadGod (Deadric Prince), will not return, YOU are the MadGod a NEW one, because this position is so deeply rooted that there cannot be a world without Madness. So you have to stay as MadGod. The other Apple, will not come back to the Tomato to make it an Apple. This just becomes a new flavor of Tomato. Point being, you are not a Deadric Prince, nor can you become a Deadric Prince. But you are, no doubt, a MADGOD. This is why the Deadric Prince of madness says "You will sorta be me"
What I am trying to say is this, the concept of the MADNESS survives, madness cannot be killed. So YES, you are a different MadGod, a brand new one. You will not have to mantle anyone, you get to stay as the MadGod. There will never be a replacement, you will not have to do anything like the Graymarch. Well, until Bethesda decides to make up another reason to mental so they can milk the cow for money.
Has Madness lost power? NO. Has the MadGod/conduit for madness lost some power? Yes. The container for the Madness is weaker.
INDEX
Fruit(MADNESS)
APPLE (Deadric Prince of Madness)
Orange(Deadric that represents Order)
Tomato(YOU)(MADGOD)
It may have changed my life
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Soul_Tomato
I disagree with that part of your assessment (that he didn't become a Daedric Prince), though I agree with other aspects A Daedric Sphere of Influence certainly doesn't have to pre-exist for a new Daedric Prince to come into being, we agree there. But to where I disagree with you. Yes, the Hero of Kvatch didn't become the very same personal identity as old Sheogorath, but he did become the new Sheogorath and he *did* become a Daedric Prince. He would not be the first Non-Daedra to become a Daedra. It can happen and has happened (Meridia, Malacath). He isn't even the first MORTAL to have become a Daedra (Umaril the Unfeathered, not a prince but still a powerful daedra due to the divine will of a daedric prince). By the time MY hero of Kvatch mantled Sheogorath however, he was already a god-hero, a demi-god, he was the Divine Crusader. He had already developed a bit of a demi-god nature by mantling a Shezarrine (and thus becoming a Shezarrine himself if he wasn't already one, and some believe he was).
I do agree with you that the Hero of Kvatch DID become a god obviously. The people who keep insisting he didn't seem to miss a very important word used during the Shivering Isles quest line. "Apotheosis", which is "The elevation of someone to divine status; deification. from late 16th century: via ecclesiastical Latin from Greek apothe?sis, from apotheoun ‘make a god of’, from apo ‘from’ + theos ‘god’." The Hero of Kvatch was deified. Made a god. This happened at least in part when he bathed the new Staff of Sheogorath in the Font of Madness. When Jyggalag left the Shivering Isles to him and went on his own way, this new godling then fully Mantled Sheogorath. Over time he grew to full Daedric Prince status, as Skyrim shows us. That is my firm belief.
give him vampire eyes
http://i.imgur.com/k54zANb.jpg
Any idea how to fix that?
Like the mod by the way.
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