We all know that the Stormcloaks should have been about reclaiming the traditional Nordic Pantheon in the base storyline. Sure sure, Talos, but more than the outrage over the banning of Talos-worship, there should've been a renewed zeal for Shor, Kyne, and Alduin himself. That way, Alduin's attack on Helgen could've been seen by the Stormcloaks as divine intervention.
But alas, Bethesda missed that opportunity. Thank you for at least giving us some way to honor the TRUE Nordic Pantheon.
Very well done! Finally, I found a nice Kyne Shrine. The atmosphere is great and the braziers are a nice touch.My only suggestion, if you're still working on this and accepting them, would be to also allow for the braziers to be lit using a torch for those of us who are playing a character that does not use magic. Endorsed.
I'm currently RPing a traditional Nord looking to revive the old ways and this is just what I needed, thank you!
I was worried it would crash because I also useLegendary Cities TES Arena Frontier Fortress and that puts a town nearby, but so far it's been pretty seamless.
Do you have anything to back that up? I believe you may have seen this in the Tamriel Vault (http://theskyrimblog.ning.com/group/lore/forum/topics/the-ancient-nordic-pantheon).
First of all, I'm not saying I'm right above all here, but some of the speculations around the web doesn't make much sense, nor are very reliable since they are just speculations. So, please come with me first, so I can make the appropriate changes.
So I may be wrong about Tsun being the Bear, since every single article out there depicts him as the Whale. Peolpe say that he is the Whale becouse he is guarding the Whalebone bridge, but why would he guard himself? It could be also interpreted that Tsun is alongside Stuhn guarding the Hall of Sovngarde. Also, the following wouldn't add much, but I would like to quote it: is a fragment of Shor, Son of Shor. ""You weren't made for that kind of thinking," Stuhn said, dragging Dibella towards a whaleskin tent (...)" I may switch their names, but I'll search for more information first.
Orkey is an enemy god to the atmorans, so it really doesn't make much sense for him to be worshipped, but according to the ES Wiki, at least when I was making the mod (now they apparently changed it), Orkey was supposed to be the Snake. That DOES make sense, since the Snake is often related to trickery and he tricked the atmorans to give up their longevity, as I posted on the mod page. Also, Orkey is part of the Dragon Cult. Like many mythologies out there (I'm talking not in-game) has a son of a b&@*$-like god, so is okay to have one here as well.
However, the idea of Shor being the snake, also makes sense, if we trace it back to Lorkhan being the snake or Sep being the snake. My problem with it though is: he is seen as trickster only by the elves, for the nords isn't Shor a hero-god? So why would he be associated with trickery and deception (bad things)? I know we can also identify the fox as stealthy, clever animal, so this may be confusing. I saw, through my seaches, an interpretation of the Volskygge's riddle which said that the Snake was Shor and the Fox was Orkey, but you'll see that the other way around makes much more sense.
Anyways, to put a final point on this, I'll trust the reliability of the Imperial Library (https://www.imperial-library.info/content/fragmentae-abyssum-hermaeus-morus):
"And the Fox spake, saying, "Know thou, mortal, that I am Shor, and this was nary Hare, but indeed, Herma Mora, who did nearly trick thee into becoming of Elvenkind. Rely you hereafter, mortal, upon the forthright methods of Man, and eschew the tricks of the Elves, lest ye become one. Now, go—for the White Stag awaiteth thee in the vale.""
Now about Ysmir, I don't agree at all that he is the Fox and also don't agree that he was part of the cult. Here is why:
"Atmoran settlers of Tamriel brought with them traditions such as naming ceremonies and their religion of animal worship." This means that they worshipped the totems before coming from Atmora. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Atmora "Ysmir Wulfharth was the Atmora-born High King of ancient Skyrim who came to power with the death of Hoag Merkiller at Glenumbria Moors." This states that Ysmir was High King during the presence of the cult in Skyrim. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Wulfharth
So, as you can see, he wasn't worshipped at the Dragon Cult. He was worshipped after his death, as was Talos, but he was not part of the cult. People may mistake him for the Fox because of a stretch from Before the Ages of Man, that say he was also known as Hans the Fox.
Please keep in mind that many of the mythology content of Tamriel are fan speculations and theories, so unless the game writers/developers themselves prove these myths, they will continue to be speculations and theories. The Imperial Library, the biggest collection of TES content, is the most reliable source of lore information that I use in my mods.
This is awesome, I just was wondering if you would port this over into the special edition, because this is a beautiful thing for any true nord (or those who don't want to use just the lame Imperial Pantheon.)
Oh, I thought it was something wrong with the name...
Well, I'm almost done with the second and already thinking of the third, so at least 3. But I'm considering doing more. It will only depend on my life's plans outside the computer.
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But alas, Bethesda missed that opportunity. Thank you for at least giving us some way to honor the TRUE Nordic Pantheon.
I was worried it would crash because I also useLegendary Cities TES Arena Frontier Fortress and that puts a town nearby, but so far it's been pretty seamless.
I believe you may have seen this in the Tamriel Vault (http://theskyrimblog.ning.com/group/lore/forum/topics/the-ancient-nordic-pantheon).
First of all, I'm not saying I'm right above all here, but some of the speculations around the web doesn't make much sense, nor are very reliable since they are just speculations. So, please come with me first, so I can make the appropriate changes.
So I may be wrong about Tsun being the Bear, since every single article out there depicts him as the Whale. Peolpe say that he is the Whale becouse he is guarding the Whalebone bridge, but why would he guard himself? It could be also interpreted that Tsun is alongside Stuhn guarding the Hall of Sovngarde. Also, the following wouldn't add much, but I would like to quote it: is a fragment of Shor, Son of Shor. ""You weren't made for that kind of thinking," Stuhn said, dragging Dibella towards a whaleskin tent (...)" I may switch their names, but I'll search for more information first.
Orkey is an enemy god to the atmorans, so it really doesn't make much sense for him to be worshipped, but according to the ES Wiki, at least when I was making the mod (now they apparently changed it), Orkey was supposed to be the Snake. That DOES make sense, since the Snake is often related to trickery and he tricked the atmorans to give up their longevity, as I posted on the mod page. Also, Orkey is part of the Dragon Cult. Like many mythologies out there (I'm talking not in-game) has a son of a b&@*$-like god, so is okay to have one here as well.
However, the idea of Shor being the snake, also makes sense, if we trace it back to Lorkhan being the snake or Sep being the snake. My problem with it though is: he is seen as trickster only by the elves, for the nords isn't Shor a hero-god? So why would he be associated with trickery and deception (bad things)? I know we can also identify the fox as stealthy, clever animal, so this may be confusing. I saw, through my seaches, an interpretation of the Volskygge's riddle which said that the Snake was Shor and the Fox was Orkey, but you'll see that the other way around makes much more sense.
Anyways, to put a final point on this, I'll trust the reliability of the Imperial Library (https://www.imperial-library.info/content/fragmentae-abyssum-hermaeus-morus):
"And the Fox spake, saying, "Know thou, mortal, that I am Shor, and this was nary Hare, but indeed, Herma Mora, who did nearly trick thee into becoming of Elvenkind. Rely you hereafter, mortal, upon the forthright methods of Man, and eschew the tricks of the Elves, lest ye become one. Now, go—for the White Stag awaiteth thee in the vale.""
Now about Ysmir, I don't agree at all that he is the Fox and also don't agree that he was part of the cult. Here is why:
"Atmoran settlers of Tamriel brought with them traditions such as naming ceremonies and their religion of animal worship." This means that they worshipped the totems before coming from Atmora. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Atmora
"Ysmir Wulfharth was the Atmora-born High King of ancient Skyrim who came to power with the death of Hoag Merkiller at Glenumbria Moors." This states that Ysmir was High King during the presence of the cult in Skyrim. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Wulfharth
So, as you can see, he wasn't worshipped at the Dragon Cult. He was worshipped after his death, as was Talos, but he was not part of the cult. People may mistake him for the Fox because of a stretch from Before the Ages of Man, that say he was also known as Hans the Fox.
Please keep in mind that many of the mythology content of Tamriel are fan speculations and theories, so unless the game writers/developers themselves prove these myths, they will continue to be speculations and theories. The Imperial Library, the biggest collection of TES content, is the most reliable source of lore information that I use in my mods.
how many ways are you supposed to do?
Well, I'm almost done with the second and already thinking of the third, so at least 3. But I'm considering doing more. It will only depend on my life's plans outside the computer.