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  1. walnzell
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    I'm getting a missing masters error saying I don't have 3dscopes.esp. It's true I don't have that, but I don't know what it's from. I have See Through Scopes, but I never got a 3dscopes.esp from that. Is there something I'm missing? 
    1. The6thMessenger
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    2. walnzell
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      Well... something definitely went wrong. I've since reinstalled the mod and now it works for some reason despite my doing nothing different. 
    3. the1holy
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      of course you did something different, this time you didn't choose the see through scopes patch to be installed
    4. walnzell
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      I don't know what I did wrong. I had See Through Scopes, so installing the See Through Scopes Patch should've had no issues. Maybe it was a load order error? I distinctly remember not changing anything besides deleting the mod then redownloading it and doing everything the same. 
  2. dbs156
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    More info on the description page would be good.

    Where can we find it and at what level? I noticed someone mentioned See Through Scopes being a required master, is there anything else that you didn't list in the requirements section? And a demo video would be nice too.
    1. the1holy
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      it's not a requirement, it's an optional patch 
  3. Malachias69
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    The mod looks very interesting.

    I am sorry if that is a stupid question and/or I am overlooking something here, but ... the ammunition this gun uses is not part of the base game, right?
    So from where do I get the ammunition? A word to clearify this would be appreciated, ideally as part of the description on the front page.
    1. nezsty
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      Pretty sure you need the Munitions mod, most new weapons that don't use vanilla ammo require it
    2. the1holy
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      you dont need munition mod, mod has its own ammo which is added with leveled lists (no ammo/weapon injection as long as i know)
  4. Gunrunner66
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    I have no idea how to build this thing.  Can construct ammo and ammo switches, but the weapon itself is very cleverly concealed somewhere.   Dosen't seem to be built from pipe weapons, as the desc suggests.

    Waiting for one to drop before proceeding.

    Edit:  Dropped literally in the first fight.  Mixed gunners and raiders, so dunno who had it.  Lots of mod options, excellent models, much ammo choices, and blowz boyz up gud!  

    As with all T6M's work, exemplary and you should have this in your order.  Very endorsed.
  5. thefircracker
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    WARNING.

    Be cautious if you're like me and think the whole settlement being raided at set spawn points is lame and prefer SKK Settlement Attack System, ofc togheter with superior and way more fun weapons and  like AAC Honey Badger and Classic Combat Armor. 
    Earlier today I had probably 30-40 raiders spawn at once, all in power armor with both Pipe Grenade Rifle  one Fatmans.
    A real flustercluck when every one of them started to fire and the whole world litteraly got blurry, all kinds of colors, a shitload of rads and fps down the drain.
    1. Lootyslooty
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      that is so goddamn funny honestly
  6. the1holy
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    in fo4edit the projectiles for the long barrel are not correctly applied, long barrel uses the slow projectiles from short barrel.
    edit: got fixed with update :)
  7. Starsickle
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    Really enjoy this mod! At first it was kind of overpowered, but the explosives scaled up and were effective enough during all sorts of fights between NPCs and the Player to let them rock out there in the world.

    Script injected levelled item inclusion would be great, just to ensure it doesn't crowd out other weapons or items in loot lists.

    I've noticed that NPCs have a bit of an overabundance of ammo for sale for it. That could be adjusted down, since I love FLO and the scarcity it brings.
  8. streetyson
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    Looks fun, though completely unrealistic of course. You could never fire a grenade launcher at close range because not only could you injure yourself but there are safety arming fuses on grenade rounds (these are not optional, they're required to stop rounds going off in-barrel or even just from accidentally dropping or knocking them while carrying). Grenade launchers are rifled and arming fuses work by rotation - making for an absolute minimum range of about 30yds.

    Another problem is they're useless for firing any other type of round. For example, you might think "hey, let's mod this thing to sh*t and make like a massive buckshot round or something!", but sadly no. To keep launchers light enough to carry like rifle, they have a much less powerful low-pressure system (and aluminium barrel) - great for lobbing a grenade through a high arc, but at maybe about 20% the speed of say a 12 guage buckshot, and so firing a scaled-up 40mm round would be completely impossible (and the lightweight barrel couldn't take the force of a standard round of even half that calibre). And all of that is without even talking about the slow reload times, thus in close-quarter fighting lobbing a grenade by hand would be far more effective.
    1. The6thMessenger
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      Looks fun, though completely unrealistic of course. You could never fire a grenade launcher at close range because not only could you injure yourself but there are safety arming fuses on grenade rounds (these are not optional, they're required to stop rounds going off in-barrel or even just from accidentally dropping or knocking them while carrying). Grenade launchers are rifled and arming fuses work by rotation - making for an absolute minimum range of about 30yds.

      Another problem is they're useless for firing any other type of round. For example, you might think "hey, let's mod this thing to sh*t and make like a massive buckshot round or something!", but sadly no. To keep launchers light enough to carry like rifle, they have a much less powerful low-pressure system (and aluminium barrel) - great for lobbing a grenade through a high arc, but at maybe about 20% the speed of say a 12 guage buckshot, and so firing a scaled-up 40mm round would be completely impossible (and the lightweight barrel couldn't take the force of a standard round of even half that calibre). And all of that is without even talking about the slow reload times, thus in close-quarter fighting lobbing a grenade by hand would be far more effective.

      What part of my mod makes it seem like your military-grade grenade-launcher made of aluminium rifled-barreled and s***? What part of Improvised do you not f***ing understand? As in a raider-grade pipe grenade-launcher that would have been likely made from galvanized steel? What part of the f***ing  game mechanic because this is a game do you not get? Do you also complain about Bethesda with their missile-launcher having no minimum-range, whereas our RPG-7 (shown in mythbusters) also have a standoff distance?

      Useless for firing another type of round? Because they use low-pressure system? Shotguns are typically low-pressure, what the f*** are you talking about? There is literally a 40mm Buckshot, that is called the M576 round and there were some iterations of it,  one of which eschewed the sabot but it spread too quickly which where I got the inspiration from, and then shooting pyrotechnic pellets seems to be just a possibility given that. Similarly, Beehive rounds exist, that which are just basically a volley-gun in cartridge form that has their own barrels, that wouldn't rely on the launcher's barrel. And for low-pressure? There's the MEI Mercury round that has even longer range than the standard 40mm Grenade because it's medium velocity.

      Pointing out bugs or criticisms are annoying, but at least they let me fix my mod. But what you said is NEITHER, just a weird flex of incomplete gun-fact that I am boggled that you seem to be proud of at all. You have absolutely no good reason to be here. You haven't even downloaded the mod by the time of my writing (yes, we have a tool to see that), so basically you just went to my page so you could s*** on it. 

      Whatever happen to just engage to the mod you actually like, and ignore those that you don't? How is it that you never learned that rule of thumb? The thousands of other viewers that took a peek but never downloaded nor commented seemed to get it. 

      If I wanted grenade-launcher facts, I'd google it. If I wanted that much realism, I'd stop modding FO4 and get a real gun. Why must those that give unsolicited facts seems to always come from those stricken with Dunning-Krueger's?

      You gun-snobs are insufferable as always.
    2. chuckchuckchuck
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      Well said
    3. heroscomeback
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      Love seeing annoying gun nuts put in their place. Good on you.
    4. SdDarktide
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      I don't think they were necessarily criticising your mod, just giving some real world facts about grenade launchers. I thought it was interesting
    5. BacteriophageBS
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      Someone read half the wikipedia article on the M79 and thinks he knows everything.
    6. SovietOnion9556
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      its just a f*#@ing game, do you also complain that human npcs can survive a point-blank shot to the face with a shotgun? do you complain that some of the ammo types (e.g. 5mm) dont exist irl?
    7. LewWillow
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      If you can't bother to make a mod that is not going to kill the pc as often as an enemy don't be surprised if few people endorse it. Instead of whining about constructive criticism why not thank the player & fix your mistakes. If you don't think we 'gun snobs' don't complain about the Fatman and missile launcher, you've got another think coming! We hate that stupid $#1T.
    8. The6thMessenger
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      ?If you can't bother to make a mod that is not going to kill the pc as often as an enemy don't be surprised if few people endorse it. Instead of whining about constructive criticism why not thank the player & fix your mistakes. If you don't think we 'gun snobs' don't complain about the Fatman and missile launcher, you've got another think coming! We hate that stupid $#1T.

      You can keep your endorsement Karen, thank you very much. You really think I'm in this for the likes and endorsement? You insult me. If you do not like the mod, you don't have to download it, you don't have to participate, literally common sense.

      Mistakes?  Thank him for incomplete information that isn't even helpful at all? As if I asked for his input, as if I was being realistic -- believe it or not, there are modders that try to make the game fun, than it is being realistic. 

      Wow, you really think modders are put in the planet just to cater to your demands and expectations; in this case realistic weapons? That's peak entitlement right there, I only met one other -- back at Bethesda forums by the name of Aryck.The-One.

      If I wanted to hear from you, I'd shove my hand up your ass and work your mouth, at least then I'd have a more cordial and insightful conversation. 

      Like I said, you gun-snobs are insufferable.
    9. Giammotto
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      this is no way to respond to a fan of your mods who was just pointing something out and sharing information, truly shameful behaviour
    10. Kancsalborz
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      Persze tud így is válaszolni.
      A hülyék nem értenek másként.
      Nagyon tisztelem az alkotót, unom is ezeket az "intelligens" hülyéket.
      Az a franc be sem töltötte ezt a modot, haver...
    11. The6thMessenger
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      @Kancsalborz 

      Köszi haver.

      Kicsit szégyellem a viselkedésemet. De ez frusztrálóvá válik.

      ?this is no way to respond to a fan of your mods who was just pointing something out and sharing information, truly shameful behaviour

      @Giamotto

      Fan? Dude hasn't even downloaded the mod. We authors have a tool for this -- we know.

      Do you think it's a pleasant experience to get criticized and looked down for not providing the realism they crave? Like I was trying to be realistic in the first place, what am I supposed to do with this info? Is he implying that the mod should have not exist because it's not realistic? If not, then what is the point? The dude has no business being in my page, he hasn't downloaded the mod, nor have provided actual useful criticism or technical issues that could have been corrected.

      There was this one guy in the other forum that was even "Irritated" with my obsolete mod, Double-Barrel overhaul, questioned it's point of having scope, not knowing that it was able to fire 50-Cal. There was another guy, that supposedly made a joke, on my mod Peppermill Crank-Gun, that supposedly there was waaay more modern weapons that could be done -- yet I was doing something like that, as if I was obligated to crank out the next ultra-realistic M16. Dak's video, there's a guy that complained that Frames shouldn't increase damage, somewhat said that people like him that know how guns work cannot appreciate my mod - so it's like only people that don't know anything about guns can appreciate my mod. There's another guy that complained that my mod is in "dire need" of immersion. 

      yada yada yada yada, realism, yada yada yada, immersion, yada yada yada

      Yes, sure, we are all entitled to our own preferences. But whatever happened to just pay attention and participate to the mods you like, and ignore the mods that you don't? Do you go to something like Thomas the Tank Engine, or the maid-robot, and complain that it is unrealistic and publicly declare that you won't be using the mod as a result? What kind of trashy attitude is that?

      Was my behavior bad? Sure, I suppose, I'm sorry, my bad. But guess what, mess with the bull, get the horns. See, I've been here for quite a while, you get these gun-snobs time to time, and it gets old -- really old. This isn't even my job, I just use Nexus as cloud-backup. I don't do this for the money, the DP is just basically TIP that I take because it's money left at the table and I do like free s*** -- CK is a *censored* to use, and I still strive to get the mods and patches to XB1. I don't even ask anything in return, not even a "thank you". I do this, maintaining my mods, making sure at at the very least they work, because it's the right thing to do. Make no mistake, I'm not saying that people owe me for doing this, they don't -- I'm simply telling my side.

      So you'll excuse me if I get frustrated and rather wordy with dealing with people like them. If you still don't understand my side. Tell you what, make your own mods, and we'll s*** all over it. Lets see how you feel then.
    12. Giammotto
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      Read what he said, he said your mod looks cool and then shared a bunch of information about real life grenade launchers that was interesting to read and could possibly give you inspiration for your own mods, he didn't do anything wrong or criticize you in any way, he was just sharing information that could make your mods better and you just jumped on the poor fucker and started insulting him, what need is there to reply like this and create this uneasy atmosphere? even if you did not like the advice, just be polite or don't respond, I don't understand why some modders on this site are so aggressive and easy to trigger, not every comment is an attack or a critique, sometimes people just want to share something with you and this is how you treat them? not cool imho
    13. The6thMessenger
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      Read what he said, he said your mod looks cool and then shared a bunch of information about real life grenade launchers that was interesting to read and could possibly give you inspiration for your own mods, he didn't do anything wrong or criticize you in any way, he was just sharing information that could make your mods better and you just jumped on the poor f***er and started insulting him.

      Like I f***ing asked him. Like I f***ing asked every other gun-snob before him. Dude haven't even downloaded the mod.

      Inspiration? This already the result of the inspiration. The buckshot that he cited to be impossible, is actually already done, inspired by the M576 round -- yes, the 40mm has buckshot. But no, gun-snobs gonna gun-snobs -- mod is unrealistic, therefore they don't know how guns work, and we must show our "impeccable" gun knowledge unsolicited.

      Could be better? Okay, tell me then, how can I make my mod better, based on that?

      "You could never fire a grenade launcher at close range" -- Engine limitation, same issue with Missile Launcher -- despite real-life rocket-launchers have minimum range. Unless I make it much like a hand-grenade that does not explode on impact. Or I I can make it like a mine, but it will only explode on proximity.

      "For example, you might think "hey, let's mod this thing to sh*t and make like a massive buckshot round or something!", but sadly no." -- What, take off the buckshot round, that was established that actually exists? Or the beehive round that also exist? Yes, so much better.

      "And all of that is without even talking about the slow reload times" -- You mean make reloads slower? That is better?

      "completely unrealistic of course" -- You mean we should only be cranking out ultra-realistic modern weapons?

      what need is there to reply like this and create this uneasy atmosphere?

      The catharsis from the frustration, and to shut him up.

      even if you did not like the advice, just be polite or don't respond.

      Why can't they not give their unsolicited advice? I have to be the bigger one? Sod off.

      I don't understand why some modders on this site are so aggressive and easy to trigger, not every comment is an attack or a critique, sometimes people just want to share something with you and this is how you treat them? not cool imho

      Like I said. Make your own mods, and we'll s*** on it for not being ultra-realistic. Let's see how you feel.
    14. Giammotto
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      Man just read his comment, then read your reply out of the blue full of insults and tell me what you think, I don't disagree about snob people telling others how they should live but this is just not the case, just look at it. You wanna let off steam but it's in the wrong direction here, there is a distinction between people destructively shitting on a mod and someone sharing information that he think may be useful, you're shitting on someone well intentioned 

      I do make mods and I have received mountains of criticism and constructive feedback in the process and sometimes it hurts, that's to be expected, what matters is that it has only made me a better modder in the end, hearing other people's perspective is always useful and informative
    15. The6thMessenger
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      Man just read his comment, then read your reply out of the blue full of insults and tell me what you think
      You mean the comment up above, that I have already given a measured response? That comment, right there? The one did last year? Hitting his points well enough? You think that I did not read that and simply given a response? You sure about that?

      I don't disagree about snob people telling others how they should live but this is just not the case, just look at it.
      I did, and see the thing is that, I'm not thrilled either.

      You wanna let off steam but it's in the wrong direction here, there is a distinction between people destructively s***ing on a mod and someone sharing information that he think may be useful, you're s***ing on someone well intentioned
      No, if they don't want my wrath, don't invoke it. I really don't care whether it's well-intentioned or not, likewise I don't care if it's just a joke or not -- the road to hell is paved with good intentions as they say.

      But okay, tell you what, I'll give you a chance. Go read his info, and tell me what utility or improvement you can derive from that.

      Because what I can gather from there is just, "don't do an improvised grenade-launcher, and a buckshot for it, because it ain't realistic". Oh I'm sorry -- maybe "Just do an ultra-realistic M79 next time"?

      Realism realism realism, yada yada yada, realism, yada yada yada, immersion, yada yada yada

      Just go a real f***ing gun.

      I do make mods and I have received mountains of criticism and constructive feedback in the process and sometimes it hurts, that's to be expected, what matters is that it has only made me a better modder in the end, hearing other people's perspective is always useful and informative
      You know, the patron in question haven't even downloaded the mod, there's no actual criticism or bug-reporting, there's just some incomplete gun-facts I don't remember f*#@ing asking. There's nothing of substance in that info that can make my mod better, at least not what it's trying to do.

      So when you defend the guy on the basis of wanting to see my mod better, I don't f*#@ing believe you.

      You say "better", but what I am picturing is simply what the gun-snobs want. What if I intended to purposefully do it this way? But no, their idea is better, amirite? Spare me your sanctimony, you wanna act like this "better-man" approach, it has been inapplicable and thus useless so far. You want to believe that their "criticism = better", you do you -- with all of the 5 mods.

      But don't you force this s*** on me.
    16. Giammotto
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      I don't know what to say, if you can't see the issue with your attitude I can't help you, you do you I do I, you're free to do as you like on your mod page, have a great day
    17. The6thMessenger
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      ?I don't know what to say

      You could have exactly told me what I can derive from his post that I am supposedly over-reacting, but no, you'd rather spew empty virtuous bullshit. 
    18. Giammotto
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      lol keep going man, way to misunderstand a suggestion and be aggressive for absolutely no reason
    19. The6thMessenger
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      Exactly, you won't answer, because there isn't any use from his supposed facts at all.

      Now piss off.
    20. MarcAugustine
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      Lmao! I'm on the mod Authors side on this one. For context, I have some "average" and extensive knowledge on guns but nowhere near the "gun snob" level that spawned this thread. Given this, I was a bit disappointed on the lack of weapon diversity and "fun" factor that the vanilla weapons gave me on my playthroughs (except the Fatman, can never go wrong there).

      This made me start looking for the many gun mods on nexus but wanted to stick with the ones that match the "fallout vibe/aesthetic". I usually check posts and back read a lot before downloading.

      Now, this is where it gets interesting and annoying. This "streetyson" user is, virtually, in every other mod post/thread that I come across. Often commenting useless criticisms and facts that nobody asked for. Trust me when I say, the know-it-all persona and pretentious s*** aura is a stench that can be smelled from every.single.comment. Constructive criticism my ass hahaha. Makes me wonder how this guy isn't banned yet for being as useless as the "Wasteland Survival Guide Issue #5" magazine.

      I for one will be downloading this "Unrealistic" mod cause it looks f*#@ing cool and fits the vibe I was looking for.
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    Trying not to be a gun snob, buuut...

    ...I would have liked something simpler and more in line with the makeshift style of weapons that pipe weapons are supposed to be. 

    My ideal pipe launcher would spawn primarily on raiders and fire Molotovs, frag grenades and smaller chance of other similar vanilla explosives. Better range, radius, damage, stagger/knockdown than if thrown by hand. But with a small chance of failure - from non-detonation, delayed detonation, to early detonation - in barrel when launching (blowing up NPC users in spectacular fashion). The Junk Jet's more volatile sibling.

    I suck at modding though, so can only hope someone talented will get the same idea and run with it :)
  10. Desel83
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    if you're asking yourself during installation: 
    what is pp? 
    after looking into the meta.ini, logs, all the comments and of course the description, i found nothing...
    then i thought: maybe the wor installer knows something, and i was right
    it's T6M's Perks Pack (i think:)